that "perfect" gravel frameset for 2025

[bigevil]

a throwback to that never ending quest for the perfect gravel bike [I did back in 2022 viewtopic.php?t=171202]

looking for best frameset that has:
-700x50mm tire clearance [will run 1x] or at least 47mm min
-non psycho race geometry [more comfort]
-UDH a must [building with sram red xplr]
-ideally less than 1350/1400 grams including fork
-do not care about full integration, aero, downtube storage, yada. those are bonuses but very far from must haves.

Crux seems like the no brainer, but I worry about both the aggressive position and that it'd be scary as hell to descend loose shiz on.
Stigmata is another very enticing choice, but almost opposite end of the geo spectrum where worried it's almost a mtb.

coming from a really lovely OPEN Wi.DE mullet build [Sram Red/eagle XX1 axs]
in a perfect world Open will release a wide UDH asap, but seems like that might be a minute

would love thoughts!

[spdntrxi]

Ridley ASTR RS for me...

[hansotto089]

Currently in the same state of mind.

My short list:
- Enve MOG
- Ridley ASTR
- Giant Revolt
- Arc8 Eero
- FARA F Gravel
- 3T Exploro Ultra

[smartyiak]

New Pivot Vault?

https://global.pivotcycles.com/bikes/vault

[TheRich]

New Pivot Vault?

https://global.pivotcycles.com/bikes/vault

Just ordered one, should have it by next weekend. (GRX 1x12) Starting with 50mm rear 2.1 front tires.

Downtube storage is great for eliminating a saddlebag, for things that are either cheap or unique to the bike (tube, levers, CO2, quicklink).

[bigevil]

Currently in the same state of mind.

My short list:
- Enve MOG
- Ridley ASTR
- Giant Revolt
- Arc8 Eero
- FARA F Gravel
- 3T Exploro Ultra

MOG is so sick but for that $ prolly just go S Works Crux no? seems heavy.
need to look at the FARA F and ARC8

Ridley ASTR RS for me...

Any idea of weight on this? believe the Geo is quite aggressive ?!

New Pivot Vault?

https://global.pivotcycles.com/bikes/vault

do they sell frameset only?

[spdntrxi]

Any idea of weight on this? believe the Geo is quite aggressive ?!

Size medium ASTR RS ts 890g

[DrimeOser]

Maybe reconsidder the Stigmata: the perception of it having MTB geo is simply marketing. If we compare the geo tables of the Mog in 54 and Stig in S, they are almost same. Just the Sitg's head angle is a lot slacker. So sizing down the Stig maybe the way to go.

[Kar25]

Lauf-Seigla rigid

[Requiem84]

a throwback to that never ending quest for the perfect gravel bike [I did back in 2022 viewtopic.php?t=171202]

looking for best frameset that has:
-700x50mm tire clearance [will run 1x] or at least 47mm min
-non psycho race geometry [more comfort]
-UDH a must [building with sram red xplr]
-ideally less than 1350/1400 grams including fork
-do not care about full integration, aero, downtube storage, yada. those are bonuses but very far from must haves.

Crux seems like the no brainer, but I worry about both the aggressive position and that it'd be scary as hell to descend loose shiz on.
Stigmata is another very enticing choice, but almost opposite end of the geo spectrum where worried it's almost a mtb.

coming from a really lovely OPEN Wi.DE mullet build [Sram Red/eagle XX1 axs]
in a perfect world Open will release a wide UDH asap, but seems like that might be a minute

would love thoughts!

I was (or am? ) in the same boat as you. Did tons of research, opened a topic on this forum as well and still couldn't make up my mind.

In the end I ordered a Tideace Noah frame for a low price as it ticks most rational boxes. But it's not a pretty bike. My second option therefore still is a Ridley Astr frame.

Difference maybe is that I don't really need a endurance geometry whereas you seem to want that more. Not sure which of the available options works best on that regard...

[smartyiak]

Currently in the same state of mind.

My short list:
- Enve MOG
- Ridley ASTR
- Giant Revolt
- Arc8 Eero
- FARA F Gravel
- 3T Exploro Ultra

MOG is so sick but for that $ prolly just go S Works Crux no? seems heavy.
need to look at the FARA F and ARC8

Ridley ASTR RS for me...

Any idea of weight on this? believe the Geo is quite aggressive ?!

New Pivot Vault?

https://global.pivotcycles.com/bikes/vault

do they sell frameset only?

I can't find one, so I'm guessing no. But Pivot does have a history of selling complete builds ONLY...for the first 6mos....then offer frameset or module after that initial run is gone.

[smartyiak]

double

[smartyiak]

Triple! <shrug>

[jdecraene85]

I'm waiting for the Cannondale 2025 SuperX.

[gloscherrybomb]

If you want one now, get a Tideace Noah. Bonus is that it's dirt cheap compared to all the other options. Otherwise, wait for the 2025 releases. 2024 was too soon for the mainstream brands to meet the latest requirements, but I expect we'll see quite a lot of releases in 2025.