Is it a good time for a Factor Ostro VAM?

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Streetfield
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by Streetfield

I am talking about v1. Since v2 has been released, my LBS is providing ~20% discount for the frameset of v1 (with Black Inc. bar and Ceramic Speed BB included). It is just my size and will be available in one week or two.
My last bike was SuperSix Gen3 (not Hi-Mod) which cracked due to an accident, so I would like to somewhat compare the two bikes, such as weight, aeroness, and stiffness.
The Vision wheels and Ultegrad Di2 groupset are expected to be transfer to new bike, but not the broken handlebar and stem.
Happy to hear from your experience with the bikes.
Thanks!

EDDIT: I am also considering Scott Foil and SuperSix Gen4, but adding up the expense on a new integrated handlebar and BB, they will be a little more expensive than the discounted Factor Ostro VAM v1. Though acceptable, I would like some input from you guys about these bikes. Thanks!
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Kayrehn
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by Kayrehn

I think the general consensus is that all three are fantastic bikes that no one can really dislike. I do think that a 20% discount on a the gen 1 frame isn't good enough though it's cheaper than the other 2. Where I am, that frame is at a 30% discount now; maybe you can wait a while to see if price drops further.

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by cyclespeed

I think it's hard to shift Ostro VAM 1 these days, even if it is lighter than the V2.
I've been offering mine for 2500E with Black Inc aero bar, Darimo seatpost included, with very little interest.

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by toxin

no way is a 20% discount worth it compared to the other two options

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by Streetfield

Kayrehn wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:23 pm
I think the general consensus is that all three are fantastic bikes that no one can really dislike. I do think that a 20% discount on a the gen 1 frame isn't good enough though it's cheaper than the other 2. Where I am, that frame is at a 30% discount now; maybe you can wait a while to see if price drops further.

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Thanks for the 30% discount information.
Could you elaborate why the gen 1 frame isn't good enough?
Another guy shared a post which seems to be quite positive.

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by Streetfield

cyclespeed wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:40 pm
I think it's hard to shift Ostro VAM 1 these days, even if it is lighter than the V2.
I've been offering mine for 2500E with Black Inc aero bar, Darimo seatpost included, with very little interest.
Could you tell me why it is not appealing even the price going down to 2500E?
I watched the channel in your signature, and saw the disappointing actual weights of V2 on a scale, but what's wrong with V1?

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by ichobi

From where I live the second hand price for the Ostro v1 has been around 1900-2000 euro, and those listing have been there forever.

There's nothing wrong with V1, i would even say it's a better deal than the v2 all things considered. Factor as a brand, simply cannot yet command good resale value price, region depending of course. From here, it's seen as a lesser brand than Trek, Specialized, Canyon, Colnago for example. It is what it is. Each market has their own perception of the brand. I sold mine before the V2 came out for quite some months for 3,000 usd net. Not terrible, but impossible to go for that price now.

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by Kayrehn

In terms of ride quality the Ostro gen 1 is certainly good; the not good enough remark was referring to the 20% discount. I would rather buy a used one for much cheaper tbh.

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Because Factor have have had many sales previous to Ostro, at 50% off. I would guess Factor is a risky buy if you ever consider a sale.
I would guess frames/ bikes have a better chance when tire clearance is good. I seriously doubt frames will get much better if they don't implement some new tech.
But all stiff frames have not much to come up with anymore. I've heard people say there's very little difference. I would guess geometry (most race bikes in size 56 are very very close to each other).
If you can make a bike that have really good comfort, stiff, light and aero with a clearance for 32-35mm real width, what more can they do!?
It would be something like Canyon MRSC. That would seriously be something different!

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by Streetfield

wheelsONfire wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:04 pm
Because Factor have have had many sales previous to Ostro, at 50% off. I would guess Factor is a risky buy if you ever consider a sale.
I would guess frames/ bikes have a better chance when tire clearance is good. I seriously doubt frames will get much better if they don't implement some new tech.
But all stiff frames have not much to come up with anymore. I've heard people say there's very little difference. I would guess geometry (most race bikes in size 56 are very very close to each other).
If you can make a bike that have really good comfort, stiff, light and aero with a clearance for 32-35mm real width, what more can they do!?
It would be something like Canyon MRSC. That would seriously be something different!

https://bikerumor.com/eb14-projekt-mrsc ... om-canyon/
Sounds like Cervelo Soloist may hit the criteria especially with 34mm clearance.

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by proffate

Streetfield wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:13 pm
wheelsONfire wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:04 pm
Because Factor have have had many sales previous to Ostro, at 50% off. I would guess Factor is a risky buy if you ever consider a sale.
I would guess frames/ bikes have a better chance when tire clearance is good. I seriously doubt frames will get much better if they don't implement some new tech.
But all stiff frames have not much to come up with anymore. I've heard people say there's very little difference. I would guess geometry (most race bikes in size 56 are very very close to each other).
If you can make a bike that have really good comfort, stiff, light and aero with a clearance for 32-35mm real width, what more can they do!?
It would be something like Canyon MRSC. That would seriously be something different!

https://bikerumor.com/eb14-projekt-mrsc ... om-canyon/
Sounds like Cervelo Soloist may hit the criteria especially with 34mm clearance.
How is soloist different from SSE gen4? Basically the exact same niche (from sister brands no less). The cervelo is slightly more expensive as a complete bike but with better finishing kit and the cables aren't as tidy on the non integrated cockpit.

I agree with gp though that it's hard to predict where improvements will come from unless they just come up with magic carbon tech that improves the parameters of interest, or the UCI continues changing rules (drop seat tube requirement).

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