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cleanneon98
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by cleanneon98

BikeTyson wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:48 am
I just don't see how this could be more aero than the gen 7 Madone. I mean it's a good looking bike and a fair bit lighter, I just don't see it as a big improvement over the gen 7. I'm curious what they meant when they said the gen 8 SL outperforms the gen 7 SLR. Did they say which metrics they judge that? Weight, sure. But I don't see it more aero.

Any guesses on tire clearance?
They are claiming 33mm measured vs the 32mm on the Gen 7
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cleanneon98 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:10 am

They are claiming 33mm measured vs the 32mm on the Gen 7

No, the official tire clearance is 32mm. No word if this is based on the ISO 4210 or Trek's previous 6mm standard. My last Trek most certainly did not have 6mm of clearance for its stated max WAM tire.

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by ichobi

People said the same thing about when Specialized claimed the SL8 is faster than the Venge.
It's a tricky thing brands do. They change their yard stick (like from pure tunnel testing to "real world" testing and shit like that). And as many have mentioned earlier, new bikes come with integrations that help them eek out a few watts here and there - new, narrow, aero cockpit, better optimized rim-tires interface, aero bottles. It's easy to make new bikes appear faster than the older one.

But IME, the new bikes generally ride slightly better. I do prefer the SL8 over the Venge in terms of ride quality. I also prefer the SS Evo 4 feel over the Evo3. The new TCR over the old one (non integrated). And this is without the aero concern. This is not always the case mind you (prefer ride quality of SL6 over the SL7). I guess this doesn't apply too much for the climbing bike. This is not something you need of course. It's nice to have but often not worth upgrading so often.

I can't get over how heavy the Madone gen 8 SL is. I wish they upgrade to at least the previous gen SLR layup.

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by cajer

chase7545 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:13 pm
cajer wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:48 pm

Any info on aero from the bottles and if they will be availbe seperately?
Confirmed:
  • You can purchase them separately.
    They work on any bike.
    Cages are carbon fiber.
    Regular bottles are fully compatible.
Cool I'll be getting a setfor my S5. They look faster than the downtube cannondale aero bottle I'm using and the seat tube round bottle can't possibly be faster.

When was the announcement date for this again?

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by cleanneon98

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What's the claimed weight on the new SL? I assume it's on par with the Gen 7 SLR, since the Gen 7 SL was on par with the Gen 6 SLR
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by ichobi

Frame alone over 1kg

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by NordicSal

Anyone who has geometry info for the XL and L bikes?

Max saddleheight would be good, stack and reach too. Also what about pictures of the big bike?

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by TLN

BikeTyson wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:16 am
The R-SL 50 wheels that come on the Hi-Mod build retail for $2500 (1100 front, 1400 rear).

https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/gear/h ... rear-wheel
I get that, but at this point, retail price is just a number. Your local bike shop will be happy to sell you set for 50% off. If not, welcome to ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256497740038
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256487403928

I cannot see anything that justifies 2.5k retail price there: dt-240 internals, 21mm internal and 1500gm of weight.
Attached picture of wheelset that I had.
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by TLN

ichobi wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:12 am
People said the same thing about when Specialized claimed the SL8 is faster than the Venge.
It's a tricky thing brands do. They change their yard stick (like from pure tunnel testing to "real world" testing and shit like that). And as many have mentioned earlier, new bikes come with integrations that help them eek out a few watts here and there - new, narrow, aero cockpit, better optimized rim-tires interface, aero bottles. It's easy to make new bikes appear faster than the older one.

But IME, the new bikes generally ride slightly better. I do prefer the SL8 over the Venge in terms of ride quality. I also prefer the SS Evo 4 feel over the Evo3. The new TCR over the old one (non integrated). And this is without the aero concern. This is not always the case mind you (prefer ride quality of SL6 over the SL7). I guess this doesn't apply too much for the climbing bike. This is not something you need of course. It's nice to have but often not worth upgrading so often.

I can't get over how heavy the Madone gen 8 SL is. I wish they upgrade to at least the previous gen SLR layup.
I've posted about this: most of the previous updates brought some real technical improvements: Tarmac SL5 Disc was basically rimbrake bike with post-mount discs, SL6 brought Flat mount, thru-axles and etc. SL7 brought full cable integration. We finally settled on Discs/mounts/headset standarts.
It's getting harded and harder to sell "ride quality" and extra features IMHO. I guess aero shapes will be a new thing, cause getting ultra light weight is both difficult and dangerous.
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so.. at this point it's becoming more and more apparent trek has taken away most of the features that made last generations of Madone special, unique, and aero for that matter, and instead has offered slightly smaller weight and... aero bottles. well, that's just appaling.
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TLN wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:59 pm
BikeTyson wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:16 am
The R-SL 50 wheels that come on the Hi-Mod build retail for $2500 (1100 front, 1400 rear).

https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/gear/h ... rear-wheel
I get that, but at this point, retail price is just a number. Your local bike shop will be happy to sell you set for 50% off. If not, welcome to ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256497740038
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256487403928

I cannot see anything that justifies 2.5k retail price there: dt-240 internals, 21mm internal and 1500gm of weight.
Attached picture of wheelset that I had.
I was just answering your question. The Cannondale R-SL wheels are $2500.

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by CJosephB

cleanneon98 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:18 am
IMG_6746.jpeg

What's the claimed weight on the new SL? I assume it's on par with the Gen 7 SLR, since the Gen 7 SL was on par with the Gen 6 SLR
Haha, 1+1 = Infinity? I'm worried about that math and science. Marketing needs to take a bit of basic algebra. :)

The isoflow is very distinct and glad they carried that over. I wonder what the weight will be...

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by cleanneon98

CJosephB wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 1:15 am
cleanneon98 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:18 am
IMG_6746.jpeg

What's the claimed weight on the new SL? I assume it's on par with the Gen 7 SLR, since the Gen 7 SL was on par with the Gen 6 SLR
Haha, 1+1 = Infinity? I'm worried about that math and science. Marketing needs to take a bit of basic algebra. :)

The isoflow is very distinct and glad they carried that over. I wonder what the weight will be...
SLR something like 800/350
SL apparently 1000/390? (Guessing on the fork)

Gen 8 Madone SL weight is still likely to be less than the rather atrocious claimed 1250g for the current Emonda SL (same as the Gen 7 Madone SL, I have no idea how it's so heavy)

If they didn't leave enough of a weight gap between them, why would anyone buy the SLR? Then again for how many S-Works and Lab71 I see, I guess people don't care
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by spdntrxi

CJosephB wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 1:15 am
cleanneon98 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:18 am
IMG_6746.jpeg

What's the claimed weight on the new SL? I assume it's on par with the Gen 7 SLR, since the Gen 7 SL was on par with the Gen 6 SLR
Haha, 1+1 = Infinity? I'm worried about that math and science. Marketing needs to take a bit of basic algebra. :)

The isoflow is very distinct and glad they carried that over. I wonder what the weight will be...
its 8 not infinity. common core maths
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by Lbert

Personally, I think gen7 is the best looking road bike from Trek. Similarly, Venge is the best looking bike from Spesh.
The rename this bike as Madone instead of Emonda, I guess due to weight is heavier and wilĺ piss off customers who expect a lighter bike. However, a lighter Madone would be appealing.

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