Yet another narrow bar: Worx Narrow and Super Narrow Bars

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TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

Weird design IMO. Flare achieves the same narrow horns position while preserving a wider stance in the hooks.

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apr46
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by apr46

There are a couple more designs coming soon. I was really close to preordering one of them as well. Its interesting to see all the different designs in terms of flare, outsweep, backswept tops, rise vs. drop of the hoods vs. the stem clamp area etc.

I am still loving the 34cm Synergy / Bikedoc bars. While the 80mm reach is on the shorter side, with the wrist cutouts it works really well for me. I think the 70mm reach bars wouldnt have enough length. Also not sure If I would really want narrower, though I will admit to not having tried narrower and the Worx super narrow bars that kicked off this thread are still king there.

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by rhs2z

I just bought the toots ashaa bars, couldn’t help myself, I was intrigued by the rise haha.
I’ll post a review comparing them to enve and ornix

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Update on 340mm Bikedoc bars.
According to strava I have over 800km and 7000m of climbing on those. After 3-4 rides I got used to out of the saddle climbing on bars that narrow and now it feels just normal Image my usual rides got a bit faster on same power and overall I’m really happy with the change.
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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:48 am
Weird design IMO. Flare achieves the same narrow horns position while preserving a wider stance in the hooks.
This achieves marginally lower frontal area and presumably drag. Or at least that's the rationale for it.

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by danridesbikes

RDY wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:13 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:48 am
Weird design IMO. Flare achieves the same narrow horns position while preserving a wider stance in the hooks.
This achieves marginally lower frontal area and presumably drag. Or at least that's the rationale for it.
lower front end doesn't equal a reduction in cda though, as seen my the uptake in higher hand positions in TT, which the Toot bars are replicating

DaveQB
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by DaveQB

What an interesting thread. Thanks to all contributing.

Are we confident Bikedoc makes safe handlebars? I'm tempted but unsure if I trust them with my life.

Thanks all.

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by toxin

danridesbikes wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:59 pm
RDY wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:13 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:48 am
Weird design IMO. Flare achieves the same narrow horns position while preserving a wider stance in the hooks.
This achieves marginally lower frontal area and presumably drag. Or at least that's the rationale for it.
lower front end doesn't equal a reduction in cda though, as seen my the uptake in higher hand positions in TT, which the Toot bars are replicating
Are you being disingenuous or do you actually not understand

apr46
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by apr46

DaveQB wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:37 pm
What an interesting thread. Thanks to all contributing.

Are we confident Bikedoc makes safe handlebars? I'm tempted but unsure if I trust them with my life.

Thanks all.
If you are concerned you could reach out to them to understand their testing protocols and results. I have seen videos of their internal testing. I think they have played more as an ODM/ODM for track bikes components than road. As mentioned earlier these bars were at least in part due to an RFP i created and sent to some vendors and there was qualification of their capabilities that were part of it. Prior to getting mine, i didnt have a sample and if i were to sell them myself, I was planning in 3rd party testing, etc.

Obviously, there isnt a brand behind these you can reach legally if something goes wrong, but that is the risk and part of the reason the costs are low. However, I would also say these arent low quality components and mine are as well finished as the Enve bars they replaced, the lack of rough texture on the clamping area being an exception.

Physically, i find the bars to be really stiff, but I have the smallest size

Edit: I should add that mine either are raw or only have a very thin matte clear coat on them so they aren't hiding anything with regards to the carbon or use of fillers etc.

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by TobinHatesYou

RDY wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:13 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:48 am
Weird design IMO. Flare achieves the same narrow horns position while preserving a wider stance in the hooks.
This achieves marginally lower frontal area and presumably drag. Or at least that's the rationale for it.

How? All they've done is yaw the hooks instead of flare them in order to project the horns inward. This design overlaps itself, meaning the frontal silhouette will be at its widest both at the drops and at the top->ramp elbow. With a flared design the widest point is the drops only. This bar is only faster for people who want to make their hooks position more aero.

Worst of all, I'm trying to position my hands where the shifter bodies would be mounted and it is VERY awkward since instead of simply pronating the wrist as with flared bars, I'd have to cock my wrist inward (or flare the elbows out.)

DaveQB
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by DaveQB

apr46 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 10:01 pm
If you are concerned you could reach out to them to understand their testing protocols and results. I have seen videos of their internal testing. I think they have played more as an ODM/ODM for track bikes components than road. As mentioned earlier these bars were at least in part due to an RFP i created and sent to some vendors and there was qualification of their capabilities that were part of it. Prior to getting mine, i didnt have a sample and if i were to sell them myself, I was planning in 3rd party testing, etc.

Obviously, there isnt a brand behind these you can reach legally if something goes wrong, but that is the risk and part of the reason the costs are low. However, I would also say these arent low quality components and mine are as well finished as the Enve bars they replaced, the lack of rough texture on the clamping area being an exception.

Physically, i find the bars to be really stiff, but I have the smallest size

Edit: I should add that mine either are raw or only have a very thin matte clear coat on them so they aren't hiding anything with regards to the carbon or use of fillers etc.
Thanks for this. I was hoping you'd reply. Also keen for others input too of course. It does sound like Bikedoc is legit in terms of QC.

Can I ask, with only a 50mm clamping area how are you mounting your head unit? ENVE stem with the head unit mount?

Thanks.

apr46
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by apr46

I use a stem bolt based mount on my bikes. The 50mm clamping area should fit most stems, and widening it to 50mm (!) was one requests I made.

Until I started experimenting with my own mounts, I was using the carbonworks.de mount or the silca Mensola mount.

e4rthm0ver
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by e4rthm0ver

I’m using framesandgear stem mount and deda pista stem, looks neatImage

DaveQB
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by DaveQB

Thank you.

Pew
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by Pew

I pre-ordered the Toot ashaa handlebars early spring and now, after a couple of rides with them I can't seem to decide whether I like them or not.

The aero hoods position feels very nice and comfortable - I can do 4-5 hour rides holding aero position without problems. The added reach does make the position slightly longer compared to more traditional bars with 80mm reach but the narrow hand position makes up for it. Ideally, I'd swap a 10mm shorter stem. I can't say for certain yet but the narrow aero position feels faster than with my old 36mm handlebars.

The drops are weidly shaped (rectangular) but they seem to work surprisingly well. Sprinting feels a bit odd but on the other hand, holding very low drop position (forearms horizontal) is fantastic. The long horizontal portion of the drop gives a nice, secure support to forearms and wrists.

The negative side is that normal, relaxed riding on drops feels kind of weird due to long reach and shaping of the drops. Climbing out of the saddle is also somewhat sketchy.

Overall, a fairly niche product with very specific usecase. The build quality is top notch though and the execution is the best I've seen among the other super narrow bars. If you're a breakaway specialist and / or do road bike TTs or just like plodding along super fast this is definately a good upgrade.

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