Cannondale SuperSix Evo4

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njleach
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by njleach

Stendhal wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:50 am
njleach wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:40 am
When someone receives a LAB71 frameset, could you please list (or post photos of) what the frameset comes with? i.e. does it come with the ceramicspeed threaded BB?
I don't think the bottom bracket could be included for a threaded bottom bracket interface like the BSA used on the new bike -- doesn't the full bottom bracket depend on the crank? Although your point is 100% right for the S-Works Tarmac SL6, which used a press fit bottom bracket and came with Ceramicspeed bearings to pop in.

I'm going to try to post some more pictures now of the frame including the threaded bracket interface.
The SL6 is what I'm coming from, so not sure whether the 68mm BSA threaded shell was 'standard' to suit most standard road cranksets, however browsing the CeramicSpeed website you're right - they have BSA68mm BB's for Shimano Road, SRAM Road, Campagnolo etc...

https://www.ceramicspeed.com/en/cycling ... Type=BSA68

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by Stendhal

Here are some photos (dark, not easy to take) of inside the head tube and the bottom bracket to try to show fit and finish. The interior of the head tube looks very clean and the bottom bracket looks sound if not Hambini-sound (some of the apparent glitch areas are really photo reflections).

Also I include photos of the 6 holes in addition to the standard holes for disc brakes. Holey moley! Is this a new way to gain aero? I'm not positive what each hole is for.
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Bottom bracket drivetrain view - not bad
Bottom bracket drivetrain view - not bad
Bottom bracket drivetrain view again - not bad
Bottom bracket drivetrain view again - not bad
Holes 1,2 - di2 battery port and maybe a drain hole (underneath BB area)
Holes 1,2 - di2 battery port and maybe a drain hole (underneath BB area)
Hole 3 - pretty standard port at top of downtube
Hole 3 - pretty standard port at top of downtube
Inside the head tube -- pretty clean
Inside the head tube -- pretty clean
Holes 4, 5 -- two behind FD bracket on rear of seat tube -- mystery
Holes 4, 5 -- two behind FD bracket on rear of seat tube -- mystery
Hole 6 - downtube under the water bottle bolt (is it for the Cannondale SmartSense?)
Hole 6 - downtube under the water bottle bolt (is it for the Cannondale SmartSense?)
Last edited by Stendhal on Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Stendhal
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by Stendhal

njleach wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:59 am
Stendhal wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:50 am
njleach wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:40 am
When someone receives a LAB71 frameset, could you please list (or post photos of) what the frameset comes with? i.e. does it come with the ceramicspeed threaded BB?
I don't think the bottom bracket could be included for a threaded bottom bracket interface like the BSA used on the new bike -- doesn't the full bottom bracket depend on the crank? Although your point is 100% right for the S-Works Tarmac SL6, which used a press fit bottom bracket and came with Ceramicspeed bearings to pop in.

I'm going to try to post some more pictures now of the frame including the threaded bracket interface.
The SL6 is what I'm coming from, so not sure whether the 68mm BSA threaded shell was 'standard' to suit most standard road cranksets, however browsing the CeramicSpeed website you're right - they have BSA68mm BB's for Shimano Road, SRAM Road, Campagnolo etc...

https://www.ceramicspeed.com/en/cycling ... Type=BSA68
So you were exactly right to think there'd be Ceramicspeed bearings included with a high end model Cannondale -- I got them too when I bought an SL6 (loved the bike, sold it to go disc brakes with wider tires). As I recall vaguely, having the Ceramicspeed bearings from Specialized gave an option to replace the bearings in a bottom brackt with the Ceramicspeed ones. I've purchased a BBInfinite ceramic bearing BSA \ DUB bottom bracket for my new frame.

Thinking more about this, if Cannondale were generous it would include Ceramicspeed bearings in the headset, which does come with the frameset. Perhaps it does for the LAB7 -- although then again, if it did, Cannondale would mention it, as I recall Specialized did.
Last edited by Stendhal on Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
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by Stendhal

Here are weights for other components, photos that did not load the other day, including the cage and bottles. I also have another photo of all the small parts and thingies that come with the frameset.
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Forchetta
Forchetta
Fork weight (oops in ml -- same as g)
Fork weight (oops in ml -- same as g)
Seatpost weight
Seatpost weight
Cage (fugly) weight
Cage (fugly) weight
Bottle (also fugly) weight
Bottle (also fugly) weight
All parts
All parts
Cannondale Supersixevo 4 (7.05 kg)
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum

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by BigBoyND

Stendhal wrote:
Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:20 pm
I wish I'd known about the Aerover, for some reason I'd never heard of it, but the Vision Metron I bought is not much heavier at 354 g actual, so yes I've saved from the Momo.
Is the Metron 5D ACR "Evo" a new model? It was at Taipei Cycle last week and I haven't heard of it before.

Found this pdf, which lists it as 320g in 110x420mm, very competitive. 45g lighter than the last version if you go my their listed weights.

https://www.visiontechusa.com/sites/def ... %20EVO.pdf

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by wheelbuilder

Basso provides the exact layup schedule of their frames to the public...ply brand, dimension, orientation, thickness, the resin used etc, for the entire frame. It is some tedious reading, but interesting that they do this. Came upon it the other day while surfing and opened the pdf.

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by pmprego

Stendhal wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:22 am
Here are some photos (dark, not easy to take) of inside the head tube and the bottom bracket to try to show fit and finish. The interior of the head tube looks very clean and the bottom bracket looks sound if not Hambini-sound (some of the apparent glitch areas are really photo reflections).

Also I include photos of the 6 holes in addition to the standard holes for disc brakes. Holey moley! Is this a new way to gain aero? I'm not positive what each hole is for.
I guess this is the "real life" example of the expression cycling porn. This bike is full of holes. Some of them people don't even know what for.

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by njleach

pmprego wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:50 am
Stendhal wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:22 am
Also I include photos of the 6 holes in addition to the standard holes for disc brakes. Holey moley! Is this a new way to gain aero? I'm not positive what each hole is for.
I guess this is the "real life" example of the expression cycling porn. This bike is full of holes. Some of them people don't even know what for.
For most of us there will be many unused holes in the frame. I wonder how much is involved in getting a carbon-repairer to patch the unused ones and then getting a bike painter to touch up the frame

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by Svetty

I don't want to carry an 8mm Allen key around with me purely to remove a thru-axle. What aftermarket thru-axles are currently favoured guys?

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by wickedstealthy

Svetty wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:41 pm
I don't want to carry an 8mm Allen key around with me purely to remove a thru-axle. What aftermarket thru-axles are currently favoured guys?
Same here. Eying on carbon ti or if I can get the aserra carbon ones I would get those just for the bling value 🤣

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by Bfriesen

wheelbuilder wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:40 am
Basso provides the exact layup schedule of their frames to the public...ply brand, dimension, orientation, thickness, the resin used etc, for the entire frame. It is some tedious reading, but interesting that they do this. Came upon it the other day while surfing and opened the pdf.

Sent from my SM-A526U1 using Tapatalk
Any chance you could link that? I can't seem to find it on their website and would be very interested in taking a look.
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StevieB
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by StevieB

Stendhal wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:37 am
Here are weights for other components, photos that did not load the other day, including the cage and bottles. I also have another photo of all the small parts and thingies that come with the frameset.
Thanks for sharing! Just took delivery of my frameset; 51cm HM in Smoke Black. Bare frame with all the bits removed was 810g, with rear dropout and cage bolts fitted, 834g. Bit over expectation, but not by much. Uncut fork was 412g, but the steerer is shorter than yours. That's a beefy arsed fork! :lol: Seatpost (without the white rail pins) was 158g, thru axles 26g and 46g. Had to laugh when I noticed the different size allen key sizes required for F/R; that's just absurd. Reminded me of my Ducati; "how many different tools can we require to do something really simple?"

Delta Steerer is thicc! It looks stout but fiddly to get set up, with precious little height adjustability once cut. Expander (34g) is tiny, so no way to use a regular top bolt/cap, and the filler pieces have the "feet" at the rear so don't completely support the stem even if you aren't running the brake lines internally. I'd have preferred a plain round one with oversized top bearing ala ACR; seems like a questionable cost/benefit design choice to moi.

(EDIT: after fiddling with the fork and diggging out all the spacers I've accumulated over the years (to accomodate the uncut fork), you do have more stem height flexibility than I thought at first, so I'll retract that. Expander is 60mm long, so you have a bit of room to play with depending on stem dimensions; enough in any case. Would still have preferred a round steerer with ACR-style routing, or at least filler pieces without the foot since you don't need that room if you're not running the brake lines inside the stem.)

As for the holes, there are a LOT of 'em. If you're tryptophobic, just look away! :wink:
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by BenCousins

People with frames - amazing stuff! Thanks so much for sharing!! - what's the thickness of the chain stay at the disc brake mount points? I need to order the correct Campag bolts.

StevieB
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by StevieB

BenCousins wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:12 pm
People with frames - amazing stuff! Thanks so much for sharing!! - what's the thickness of the chain stay at the disc brake mount points? I need to order the correct Campag bolts.
Top to bottom at the rear disc mounts is 25mm. :thumbup:

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by StevieB

Goofing around, just because; a couple of shots with the front wheel of my Aspero in the fork. That's a 38mm Gravel King SK. Rear fits barely, but touches. A 38GK slick might actually be rideable. 35mm SK would be doable for sure in the dry. Not that you would, of course... 8)
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Doable; just...
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