Cannondale SuperSix Evo4

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eins4eins
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by eins4eins

But a -20° or even some -17° stem looks shit with a sloped top tube...And with the all the proprietary parts, it becomes more and more difficult to lower and lengthen the cockpit. OEM stems are only available in one angle or max 120cm length. Integrated bar-stems are often short too or stupidly wide with longer stems.

The market offers bikes for all kind of purposes and fits. Never has there been more to choose from. But when you actually want a race bike with agressive fit, options become more limited every year. Sucks.

TomSte
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by TomSte

Do you know anything about the prices for the Std. Mod with 105/Ultegra Di2? In Germany the latest version with 105 Di2 is 4990 € and the Ultegra is 6790 €.
Will the new ones be far more expensive than that? :noidea:

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koelio
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by koelio

from Google cache you can still see some pictures and specs of the SS evo 4 (from bikeasylum).
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by RDY

koelio wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:13 pm
from Google cache you can still see some pictures and specs of the SS evo 4 (from bikeasylum).
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
Yikes re: the pricing. I guess that's going to be €15k in Europe. So greedy they couldn't even spec DT180s (rather than 240s) on the wheels.

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by TomSte

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Is that the new bar stem combo?

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Thats the old bar and stem with that beautifully designed gps mount /s

TomSte
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by TomSte

Little bit relieved since it's on the new bike of St Michel Auber, but looks horrible.

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by wickedstealthy

TomSte wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:23 pm
Little bit relieved since it's on the new bike of St Michel Auber, but looks horrible.
If you look closely to the spacers. It looks like it sticking out in front. So think it is idd the old combo.

The new one is a one peice thing and this looks the old stuff (2 piece)

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koelio wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:13 pm
from Google cache you can still see some pictures and specs of the SS evo 4 (from bikeasylum).
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
Who else noticed the Cannondale aero bottle cages and bottles in the spec list? If they're functional I'd actually be pretty interested in using them.
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Bfriesen
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by Bfriesen

Jackofallgrades wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:36 pm
koelio wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:13 pm
from Google cache you can still see some pictures and specs of the SS evo 4 (from bikeasylum).
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
Who else noticed the Cannondale aero bottle cages and bottles in the spec list? If they're functional I'd actually be pretty interested in using them.
The bottles do sound interesting. But man, $17800 CAD for the hi mod with AXS is pretty brutal. Up from $16000 on the current model. And $19300 for the lab71 is honestly absurd. I get that it's a halo product, but it's still probably the highest price point I've seen from the big manufacturers.
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RDY
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by RDY

Bfriesen wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:18 am
Jackofallgrades wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:36 pm
koelio wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:13 pm
from Google cache you can still see some pictures and specs of the SS evo 4 (from bikeasylum).
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
Who else noticed the Cannondale aero bottle cages and bottles in the spec list? If they're functional I'd actually be pretty interested in using them.
The bottles do sound interesting. But man, $17800 CAD for the hi mod with AXS is pretty brutal. Up from $16000 on the current model. And $19300 for the lab71 is honestly absurd. I get that it's a halo product, but it's still probably the highest price point I've seen from the big manufacturers.
With DT240s 8)

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by robeambro

Bfriesen wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:18 am
Jackofallgrades wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:36 pm
koelio wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:13 pm
from Google cache you can still see some pictures and specs of the SS evo 4 (from bikeasylum).
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
Who else noticed the Cannondale aero bottle cages and bottles in the spec list? If they're functional I'd actually be pretty interested in using them.
The bottles do sound interesting. But man, $17800 CAD for the hi mod with AXS is pretty brutal. Up from $16000 on the current model. And $19300 for the lab71 is honestly absurd. I get that it's a halo product, but it's still probably the highest price point I've seen from the big manufacturers.
I think it's been clear for a few years now that unless one has access to deep discount or special pricing, it makes zero sense to buy a complete top end bike at or near retail prices. Frameset + groupset + wheels bought separately and assembled are always going to be (sometimes dramatically) cheaper and they can be tailor made (e.g. narrower handlebars, favourite saddle, wheels and tyres).

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by Bfriesen

robeambro wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:19 am
Bfriesen wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:18 am
Jackofallgrades wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:36 pm
koelio wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:13 pm
from Google cache you can still see some pictures and specs of the SS evo 4 (from bikeasylum).
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... en|lang_nl
Who else noticed the Cannondale aero bottle cages and bottles in the spec list? If they're functional I'd actually be pretty interested in using them.
The bottles do sound interesting. But man, $17800 CAD for the hi mod with AXS is pretty brutal. Up from $16000 on the current model. And $19300 for the lab71 is honestly absurd. I get that it's a halo product, but it's still probably the highest price point I've seen from the big manufacturers.
I think it's been clear for a few years now that unless one has access to deep discount or special pricing, it makes zero sense to buy a complete top end bike at or near retail prices. Frameset + groupset + wheels bought separately and assembled are always going to be (sometimes dramatically) cheaper and they can be tailor made (e.g. narrower handlebars, favourite saddle, wheels and tyres).
Yeah it really makes no sense. Just as an example, here's a basic build of the top end cannondale frameset currently available for $16300(all CAD pricing). A full $3000 less than the lab71 bike. Of course you still need tires and your contact points and I'm sure the new frameset will be more expensive, but you could buy literally anything you want and come in well under $3000. And honestly who buys things at full retail, especially groupsets and wheels.
DA DI2 $5,750.00, Leichtbau LTD Frameset $6,750, ENVE SES 3.4, $3800

So is this just brands realizing that the customers who actually buy these things are either doing so at a huge discount, or just don't care about price at all?
2020 Cannondale Supersix
2021 Argon 18 Gallium Disc
2018 Trek Crockett

wickedstealthy
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by wickedstealthy

Bfriesen wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:33 pm
robeambro wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:19 am
Bfriesen wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:18 am
Jackofallgrades wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:36 pm


Who else noticed the Cannondale aero bottle cages and bottles in the spec list? If they're functional I'd actually be pretty interested in using them.
The bottles do sound interesting. But man, $17800 CAD for the hi mod with AXS is pretty brutal. Up from $16000 on the current model. And $19300 for the lab71 is honestly absurd. I get that it's a halo product, but it's still probably the highest price point I've seen from the big manufacturers.
I think it's been clear for a few years now that unless one has access to deep discount or special pricing, it makes zero sense to buy a complete top end bike at or near retail prices. Frameset + groupset + wheels bought separately and assembled are always going to be (sometimes dramatically) cheaper and they can be tailor made (e.g. narrower handlebars, favourite saddle, wheels and tyres).
Yeah it really makes no sense. Just as an example, here's a basic build of the top end cannondale frameset currently available for $16300(all CAD pricing). A full $3000 less than the lab71 bike. Of course you still need tires and your contact points and I'm sure the new frameset will be more expensive, but you could buy literally anything you want and come in well under $3000. And honestly who buys things at full retail, especially groupsets and wheels.
DA DI2 $5,750.00, Leichtbau LTD Frameset $6,750, ENVE SES 3.4, $3800

So is this just brands realizing that the customers who actually buy these things are either doing so at a huge discount, or just don't care about price at all?

Well buy the frame and that will be in line with Spec etc and the rest can be sourced elsewhere. I saved more or less 3k purely buying the V3rs frame and getting stuff elsewhere

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njleach
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by njleach

Bfriesen wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:33 pm
So is this just brands realizing that the customers who actually buy these things are either doing so at a huge discount, or just don't care about price at all?
At this stage most large brands just seem to be taking the p*ss with their pricing, which was exacerbated by the increased demand during the Covid pandemic. Hopefully we'll get some more balance into the market later this year when demand flattens or even decreases slightly.

The only brand who still offers some value for money for complete bikes is Canyon

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