Giant Propel 2023

[Roadrocket]

Is that PAINTinside the BB86 shell?

Hambini moment

Whaat?? Where is this pic from?

Looks like poorly custom repainted frame.

[K4m1k4z3]

Whaat?? Where is this pic from?

Looks like poorly custom repainted frame.

Dream Build | NEW Giant Propel Advanced SL | 2022 - 2023 | NEW Cadex Aero Wheelset
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[wheelsONfire]

The Scott loses points for absolutely looking horrendous.

The Canyon was pretty close to vaporware for the past 12 to 18 months. It is becoming available now, and the builds are well priced and pretty interesting (the Rotor DA9200, DT looks really good imo).

Giant and SL7 the best looking bikes for me.
Both also sub 7.

Interesting.. I find the Scott the best looking..

Agree with you! Probably one of the better considering ride feel to

[wheelsONfire]

The Canyon was pretty close to vaporware for the past 12 to 18 months. It is becoming available now, and the builds are well priced and pretty interesting (the Rotor DA9200, DT looks really good imo).

Canyon loses points for lack of adjustability. There's lots of innovation in handlebars at the moment in my opinion (for example Speeco) and so being able to fit 'standard' parts is important. I'm 184cm and ride a 38cm bar day to day (and would like to try going down to 36cm) and know folks who race on 28cm bars! The Canyon CP0018 only goes down to 39cm... All well and good having a quick bike but if you can't get yourself into an optimally fast position comfortably it's kind of pointless.

For sake of curiosity i asked Canyon if they can change lenght of the cockpit before they ship the bike.
Nope, you have to do it yourself + pay full retail for a version of your desired lenght (and width).

[spartacus]

The Canyon was pretty close to vaporware for the past 12 to 18 months. It is becoming available now, and the builds are well priced and pretty interesting (the Rotor DA9200, DT looks really good imo).

Canyon loses points for lack of adjustability. There's lots of innovation in handlebars at the moment in my opinion (for example Speeco) and so being able to fit 'standard' parts is important. I'm 184cm and ride a 38cm bar day to day (and would like to try going down to 36cm) and know folks who race on 28cm bars! The Canyon CP0018 only goes down to 39cm... All well and good having a quick bike but if you can't get yourself into an optimally fast position comfortably it's kind of pointless.

For sake of curiosity i asked Canyon if they can change lenght of the cockpit before they ship the bike.
Nope, you have to do it yourself + pay full retail for a version of your desired lenght (and width).

And that's if any are in stock. And yeah, slap a 36cm bar on a competitive bike and now it's faster than any aeroad. That and the bizzare seatpost design has made me lose all faith in canyon and their engineering. How can you take them seriously?

[spartacus]

The SL7 is has excellent ride quality and can use any cockpit. With the canyon you can't even buy a different cockpit and the seatpost is jank. The giant is the only bike so far I've seen that I would consider against the sl7, especially if it's cheaper.

Not the Factor Ostro VAM? Interested as to why not?

It looks good on paper but I'm not that familiar with them and I never see them around. In the US you can get better support buying something like a specialized is all.

[RDY]

Is that PAINTinside the BB86 shell?

Hambini moment

Nah, man. It's a DREAM BUILD. Obviously they color matched the retaining compound to the frame's paint

[pmprego]

The Canyon was pretty close to vaporware for the past 12 to 18 months. It is becoming available now, and the builds are well priced and pretty interesting (the Rotor DA9200, DT looks really good imo).

Canyon loses points for lack of adjustability. There's lots of innovation in handlebars at the moment in my opinion (for example Speeco) and so being able to fit 'standard' parts is important. I'm 184cm and ride a 38cm bar day to day (and would like to try going down to 36cm) and know folks who race on 28cm bars! The Canyon CP0018 only goes down to 39cm... All well and good having a quick bike but if you can't get yourself into an optimally fast position comfortably it's kind of pointless.

For sake of curiosity i asked Canyon if they can change lenght of the cockpit before they ship the bike.
Nope, you have to do it yourself + pay full retail for a version of your desired lenght (and width).

But its cheaper. Just ride what they give you. (I'm being sarcastic!)

[TobinHatesYou]

Custom painted bearing/BB cup bores are the new hotness.

[Robius]

Is that PAINTinside the BB86 shell?

Hambini moment

Oh my goodness it's properly painted for real.

[RadB]

I can imagine the staccato sound of a gun going off as a hambini BB gets pressed in. The file work on the ISP and steerer tube was painful to watch.

[darrydonds]

Any news on the prices of the framesets?

The TCR Adv SL frameset retails for around £2.5k, which is good value compared to many of the other top frames, so it's hard to see how Giant can justify a big hike on that.

It will be interesting to see if Giant keep going with the TCR as its USPs are not attractive to the mainstream market, namely external cables and rim brake options, and the new Propel is light enough that I don't see many people preferring the TCR unless they specifically want external cables or rim brakes.

Or, a considerably more affordable price.

[Jz91]

Any news on the prices of the framesets?

The TCR Adv SL frameset retails for around £2.5k, which is good value compared to many of the other top frames, so it's hard to see how Giant can justify a big hike on that.

It will be interesting to see if Giant keep going with the TCR as its USPs are not attractive to the mainstream market, namely external cables and rim brake options, and the new Propel is light enough that I don't see many people preferring the TCR unless they specifically want external cables or rim brakes.

External cables aside, I'm still trying to figure out if I should go for the tcr or propel as almost every ride where I live entails long climbs.

There's still some weight difference that leaves me wondering and in doubt.

Edit: in both cases I'm talking about the SL frame so no 9kg Propel with rival

[Sace]

Regarding weight. I live in Denmark, and we don't have anything even remotely close to a mountain. It's pancake flat where I live, but with a lot of wind. Plus I'm a recreational rider so everything about the Force/Ultegra bike works for me

Yeah I live in the same-ish area as you and would not bother about the weight either. The wind is much more annoying here than the hills

The Ultegra version is priced close to what I gave for my SL7 Ultegra last winter. Now the SL7 is way more so I agree that the pricing of the Giant seems fair! If it wasn't for the seatpost I would go with the Canyon but I also lost all faith in that design.

Btw. For me the ISP design is much worse than a propritary handlebar/stem combo. I sit relatively low and would never buy a bike and cut it to my saddle height.

[pmprego]

Regarding weight. I live in Denmark, and we don't have anything even remotely close to a mountain. It's pancake flat where I live, but with a lot of wind. Plus I'm a recreational rider so everything about the Force/Ultegra bike works for me

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Btw. For me the ISP design is much worse than a propritary handlebar/stem combo. I sit relatively low and would never buy a bike and cut it to my saddle height.

And apparently this system doesn't save that much weight anyways. I always thought it was a weight thing but it is not. I can't understand the decision. The isp is immediately a "not interested in this bike".