Adjusting your cleats solves this (non-) issue. And if you are out adjustment range, you can still add washers between pedal axle and crank.wheelsONfire wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:27 amI think it's a pity that the Q-factor is 149mm (it would have been better if it were 145mm).
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No it doesn't! I say i want a lower Q not more!Maddie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:37 amAdjusting your cleats solves this (non-) issue. And if you are out adjustment range, you can still add washers between pedal axle and crank.wheelsONfire wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:27 amI think it's a pity that the Q-factor is 149mm (it would have been better if it were 145mm).
BTW, you can't teach me this since i've been doing this for years....
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Many of us already have cleats all the way inward, and adding spacers goes in the wrong directionwheelsONfire wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:07 amNo it doesn't! I say i want a lower Q not more!Maddie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:37 amAdjusting your cleats solves this (non-) issue. And if you are out adjustment range, you can still add washers between pedal axle and crank.wheelsONfire wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:27 amI think it's a pity that the Q-factor is 149mm (it would have been better if it were 145mm).
BTW, you can't teach me this since i've been doing this for years....
Aldhu Carbon is compatible with their 24mm axle, isn't it?integration wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:00 am... as I've been dreaming of having a carbon crank with a 24mm axle for years now.
Why the 24mm preference? Small BB shell? 30mm is generally both lighter and stiffer.
This seems a little suspicious. Lifetime warranty on the cranks and titanium axles. 2 year on the aluminium and carbon axles .... guessing there were a lot of failures after a simulated 2 or 3 year period on the test jigs?integration wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:00 amRDY wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:26 pmThe Carbon and Aluminium axles are listed as DUB / 30mm. Obviously it uses an adapter for one or the other, but is it better to use a DUB or 30mm BB? I know it uses a a preload adjuster like SRAM DUB does, which is also plastic like the SRAM one. Can one replace it with the metal Cane Creek / Kogel / Muc Off DUB preload adjuster?StiffWeenies wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:11 pmIt uses Cinch, same as Easton and Cybrei
P2M, Sigeyi and Xcadey all make compatible PM spiders
They also have a 2 year warranty for their aluminum and carbon axles. They have a lifetime warranty for their 24mm titanium axles.
except that case when you have to deal with bb86 frame - where you have problem with 4130 conversion bearings and the only option that makes sense is -Token DBB4130S BKTK or ROTOR 4130 as they are not a small ball bearings in a sleeveBigBoyND wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:20 amAldhu Carbon is compatible with their 24mm axle, isn't it?integration wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:00 am... as I've been dreaming of having a carbon crank with a 24mm axle for years now.
Why the 24mm preference? Small BB shell? 30mm is generally both lighter and stiffer.
token is better imo beeing made of stainless stell and having much lower profile - in my case they lasted 3 years of race beating and still running strong
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Aldhu Carbon is only available for 30mm. Any benefit from a stiffer, lighter axle will be outweighed by the shortcomings of small bearings that wear out prematurely.BigBoyND wrote:Aldhu Carbon is compatible with their 24mm axle, isn't it?integration wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:00 am... as I've been dreaming of having a carbon crank with a 24mm axle for years now.
Why the 24mm preference? Small BB shell? 30mm is generally both lighter and stiffer.
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Is that bearing "issue" real or just theoretical? I have 6000km on my training/racing bike (i.e. those are hard km) with 30mm spindle and bbinfinite bb86. Spins smooth as butter, no play, no noise.
How many km do you consider premature? If I'll have to replace the bearings every 10,000km, that's not a big deal, imo.
How many km do you consider premature? If I'll have to replace the bearings every 10,000km, that's not a big deal, imo.
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If I have to spend $200 for a ABEC-7 BB that’s too high a price to pay for me to make a poor engineering situation work. BBI have a beautifully made product but most people trying to use a 30mm axle on a bike with a BB shell designed for a chainset with a 24mm axle are going to baulk at paying that premium. A regular BB is going to fail way sooner than the BBI one.BigBoyND wrote:Is that bearing "issue" real or just theoretical? I have 6000km on my training/racing bike (i.e. those are hard km) with 30mm spindle and bbinfinite bb86. Spins smooth as butter, no play, no noise.
How many km do you consider premature? If I'll have to replace the bearings every 10,000km, that's not a big deal, imo.
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10,000km would be once a year for me. That's premature in my book. If I'm having to replace my BB every year, I'm looking elsewhere.BigBoyND wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:43 pmIs that bearing "issue" real or just theoretical? I have 6000km on my training/racing bike (i.e. those are hard km) with 30mm spindle and bbinfinite bb86. Spins smooth as butter, no play, no noise.
How many km do you consider premature? If I'll have to replace the bearings every 10,000km, that's not a big deal, imo.
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That's just a number I threw out. They could last much longer.
Also, replacing bearings doesn't necessitate replacing the whole BB, at least with BBinfinite
Also, replacing bearings doesn't necessitate replacing the whole BB, at least with BBinfinite
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I am hoping not to replace Bbinfinite bearings that soon. That is $215 USD just in parts before tax and shipping each time not to mention any potential labor costs.BigBoyND wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:43 pmIs that bearing "issue" real or just theoretical? I have 6000km on my training/racing bike (i.e. those are hard km) with 30mm spindle and bbinfinite bb86. Spins smooth as butter, no play, no noise.
How many km do you consider premature? If I'll have to replace the bearings every 10,000km, that's not a big deal, imo.
Which is also why I'm interested in the Elilee 24mm titanium axle option. Would not want to replace a whole crank and with smaller bearings that have some tendency to wear out faster. That's a lot of potential lose-lose scenarios.
Another thing that is slowing me down in pulling the trigger is whether this relatively still unknown overseas company will honor their warranty guarantees according to international standards.
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Earlier in this thread, someone reported testing that the Ti axle was significantly less stiff. Can you comment on how this crank feels? What were you using before?
Edit: IIRC, DA 9100 is 490g sans rings. So 100g lighter than the standard 24mm spindle option, but at what compromise with flexiness?