Wo tested and reported this?
2022/2023 Canyon ULTIMATE
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Here is a comparison with German prices:
CFR Etap 11.000,00 € SRAM 6,66kg Zipp 353 NSW
CFR Dura Ace Di2 10.500,00 € Shimano 6,32kg DT Swiss PRC 1100 Dicut Mon Chasseral
SLX Dura Ace Di2 8.700,00 € Shimano 6,76kg DT Swiss ARC 1100 Dicut db
SLX Ultegra Di2 6.500,00 € Shimano 7,14kg DT Swiss ARC 1400 Dicut db
SLX eTap 6.300,00 € SRAM 7,42kg DT Swiss ARC 1400 Dicut db
SL Ultegra Di2 5.000,00 € Shimano 7,48kg DT Swiss ARC 1600
CFR Etap 11.000,00 € SRAM 6,66kg Zipp 353 NSW
CFR Dura Ace Di2 10.500,00 € Shimano 6,32kg DT Swiss PRC 1100 Dicut Mon Chasseral
SLX Dura Ace Di2 8.700,00 € Shimano 6,76kg DT Swiss ARC 1100 Dicut db
SLX Ultegra Di2 6.500,00 € Shimano 7,14kg DT Swiss ARC 1400 Dicut db
SLX eTap 6.300,00 € SRAM 7,42kg DT Swiss ARC 1400 Dicut db
SL Ultegra Di2 5.000,00 € Shimano 7,48kg DT Swiss ARC 1600
A rider testing it for a magazine, started creaking during a rainy ride.
Edit : here a comment already published (in French but Google translate is your friend)
https://www.3bikes.fr/2022/09/08/test-d ... te-cf-slx/
Only the CFR for 4.999€ (Seattube, Handlebar, Dura Ace STI and brakes included)
According to cyclingtips who do some of the more detailed product release coverage… canyon will allow to customise components length « soon »… in canyon world doesn’t means much but at least they pulled their head out of the cave they put all aeroad people for last 2 years.
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Asked Canyon less than 4 weeks ago about changing the once piece bar/stem for a 10mm longer version.
Nope, you have to order one on the side and you know the rest.
Part from that, why in heaven are so many doing this BB86 crap!?
I see absolutely no gains of going for this BB. Nada!
Why in heavens name don't manufacturers spec all bikes to run proper 30*42*7 bearings?
Nope, you have to order one on the side and you know the rest.
Part from that, why in heaven are so many doing this BB86 crap!?
I see absolutely no gains of going for this BB. Nada!
Why in heavens name don't manufacturers spec all bikes to run proper 30*42*7 bearings?
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Road.cc says on youtube that the SLX and SL versions can´t handle 9x7 saddle rails for carbon saddles.
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Canyon is a brand I want nothing to do with. What’s been the appeal besides price? Seems like all of their bikes have nonsense design decisions that all seem oriented to cost cutting. Not at all appealing.
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Australian website has the same bike listed as 6,16 kg and AU$13199...so with the current AUD to Euro exchange rate, 8975 euro!KalleWirsch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:47 amHere is a comparison with German prices:
CFR Dura Ace Di2 10.500,00 € Shimano 6,32kg DT Swiss PRC 1100 Dicut Mon Chasseral
Before this current generation of bikes they were cheaper and way ahead of the competition in design. Both the previous generation Aeroad and Ultimate were years ahead of anyone else in design. So much that they were both still good bikes that didn't lose anything to the competition even as the new model came out over half a decade later than the previous design was made. And all that at a very competitive price. Also the previous generation bikes didn't have any of the engineering and cost cutting issues. Especially with the Ultimate this is pretty evident. Other than full integration and D-shaped seat tube the new bike looks a lot like the old model because the old model was already really good and there wasn't much for them to improve.bananastand wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:57 pmCanyon is a brand I want nothing to do with. What’s been the appeal besides price? Seems like all of their bikes have nonsense design decisions that all seem oriented to cost cutting. Not at all appealing.
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But why not continue to stay ahead of the pack and move the product forward another quantum leap? It's hard to get excited about this new version of thr Ultimate. So little has changed.Lina wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:01 pmBefore this current generation of bikes they were cheaper and way ahead of the competition in design. Both the previous generation Aeroad and Ultimate were years ahead of anyone else in design. So much that they were both still good bikes that didn't lose anything to the competition even as the new model came out over half a decade later than the previous design was made. And all that at a very competitive price. Also the previous generation bikes didn't have any of the engineering and cost cutting issues. Especially with the Ultimate this is pretty evident. Other than full integration and D-shaped seat tube the new bike looks a lot like the old model because the old model was already really good and there wasn't much for them to improve.bananastand wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:57 pmCanyon is a brand I want nothing to do with. What’s been the appeal besides price? Seems like all of their bikes have nonsense design decisions that all seem oriented to cost cutting. Not at all appealing.
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2020 Canyon Ultimate
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2021 S-Works Aethos Di2 9200 (Alpinist CLX II)
2006 Cervelo Soloist
2021 S-Works Epic
2024 Topstone Lab71 (Force/XX1, Terra CLX II)
Retired: 2014 and 2020 S-Works Roubaix
2020 Canyon Ultimate
2018 S-Works Camber
The new Ultimate CFR is about the same weight of the old model, isn't it?
So with the new model you're getting:
- Slightly better stiffness to weight
- Integrated cabling, and
- ~10W saving at 45km/h
I wonder how much of the 10W saving is simply due to the internal cable routing?
I think that would be fine. Canyon simply doesn't do customization. The problem with the CP018 cockpit used in the Aeroad and the new Ultimate is that you can't even buy a replacement. It's simply not available.wheelsONfire wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:02 pmAsked Canyon less than 4 weeks ago about changing the once piece bar/stem for a 10mm longer version.
Nope, you have to order one on the side and you know the rest.
I suspect that that is the customization Cycling Tips is speaking of: Bein able to order a different CP018 cockpit after purchase. Again, it's not ideal but I think people often don't understand the challenges that come with offering customization. It's a service that requires additional resources, requires different workflows and is simply more expensive. Canyon offers a wide range of sizes, better than most, and I can udnerstand that they follow this streamlined take it or leave it approach - even if it might not fit everyone.
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