New garmin product 1040edge, 840, 540
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wait wait wait. Is the battery life a joke? Edge 830 is expected 20 hrs with navigation on, 2 sensors connected, phone connected and auto brightness always on, while up to 40 hrs with saver mode. My 830 can hold roughly 24 hrs with navigation on, 3 sensors connected and auto brightness 10 seconds when new (and yes the battery degraded with time going), so I can expect at least 26 hrs with navigation off and nothing connected.
However, 840 is only up to 26 hrs. and 42 hrs. with saver mode. There is almost no improvement about battery life. 1040 has a holy 45% more battery life under high load vs 1030 plus (35 vs 24). I'm disappointed on not including a larger battery/making full use of internal space.
However, 840 is only up to 26 hrs. and 42 hrs. with saver mode. There is almost no improvement about battery life. 1040 has a holy 45% more battery life under high load vs 1030 plus (35 vs 24). I'm disappointed on not including a larger battery/making full use of internal space.
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No, I think Garmin are a little crafty when it comes to battery life with the 1040. They link to a chart that is for the Solar. 45 hours battery life is with solar taken into account. The 840 specs are not yet officially out, so we only have one dealer who has jumped the gun and may have not got the listing correct.alanyu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:35 amwait wait wait. Is the battery life a joke? Edge 830 is expected 20 hrs with navigation on, 2 sensors connected, phone connected and auto brightness always on, while up to 40 hrs with saver mode. My 830 can hold roughly 24 hrs with navigation on, 3 sensors connected and auto brightness 10 seconds when new (and yes the battery degraded with time going), so I can expect at least 26 hrs with navigation off and nothing connected.
However, 840 is only up to 26 hrs. and 42 hrs. with saver mode. There is almost no improvement about battery life. 1040 has a holy 45% more battery life under high load vs 1030 plus (35 vs 24). I'm disappointed on not including a larger battery/making full use of internal space.
I quoted 35 hrs which is for non-solor model. Anyway, I hope Garmin includes a larger battery in 840/540ultimobici wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:47 amNo, I think Garmin are a little crafty when it comes to battery life with the 1040. They link to a chart that is for the Solar. 45 hours battery life is with solar taken into account. The 840 specs are not yet officially out, so we only have one dealer who has jumped the gun and may have not got the listing correct.alanyu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:35 amwait wait wait. Is the battery life a joke? Edge 830 is expected 20 hrs with navigation on, 2 sensors connected, phone connected and auto brightness always on, while up to 40 hrs with saver mode. My 830 can hold roughly 24 hrs with navigation on, 3 sensors connected and auto brightness 10 seconds when new (and yes the battery degraded with time going), so I can expect at least 26 hrs with navigation off and nothing connected.
However, 840 is only up to 26 hrs. and 42 hrs. with saver mode. There is almost no improvement about battery life. 1040 has a holy 45% more battery life under high load vs 1030 plus (35 vs 24). I'm disappointed on not including a larger battery/making full use of internal space.
They're not going to push the boat out too far when the two biggest competitors are miles behind - Karoo awful battery life, Wahoo bad on both V2s, together with high probability of it losing your ride the longer it goes on.alanyu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:35 amwait wait wait. Is the battery life a joke? Edge 830 is expected 20 hrs with navigation on, 2 sensors connected, phone connected and auto brightness always on, while up to 40 hrs with saver mode. My 830 can hold roughly 24 hrs with navigation on, 3 sensors connected and auto brightness 10 seconds when new (and yes the battery degraded with time going), so I can expect at least 26 hrs with navigation off and nothing connected.
However, 840 is only up to 26 hrs. and 42 hrs. with saver mode. There is almost no improvement about battery life. 1040 has a holy 45% more battery life under high load vs 1030 plus (35 vs 24). I'm disappointed on not including a larger battery/making full use of internal space.
It's really important that SRAM make big improvements with the Karoo 3.
(edit: according to the5krunner there's a 540 solar, now I think that the most likely explanation is all shops that show buttons and claim the device is called 840 have simply mixed things up, perhaps wrongly inferring from price, assuming that the most expensive price point can't be a 540)
Super weird to see all those leaks suggesting an 840 with buttons (one even has discernible solar and buttons, that wouldn't be in an image mixup).
I mean I'm all for it, having a touchscreen but also buttons for when you want to keep the screen clean, but I'd have expected "both" to become a 1040 exclusive, and when the 1040 turned out to be touch only, the 1050. Will the 840 be ahead of the 1040 in having both? That would mean that Garmin *really* sucks at making a product portfolio where lower price offerings don't cannibalize higher ranges! (oh, we kind of knew that before, right? But every time that knowledge is confirmed again it's a new surprise!)
Super weird to see all those leaks suggesting an 840 with buttons (one even has discernible solar and buttons, that wouldn't be in an image mixup).
I mean I'm all for it, having a touchscreen but also buttons for when you want to keep the screen clean, but I'd have expected "both" to become a 1040 exclusive, and when the 1040 turned out to be touch only, the 1050. Will the 840 be ahead of the 1040 in having both? That would mean that Garmin *really* sucks at making a product portfolio where lower price offerings don't cannibalize higher ranges! (oh, we kind of knew that before, right? But every time that knowledge is confirmed again it's a new surprise!)
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I'm really interested in what a potential Karoo 3 has to offer but they absolutely need to improve battery life. Significantly.
Also, I'd prefer a more readable and efficient display, like Wahoo uses. A display that is hard to read in sunlight is useless.
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It is a strange choice indeed. However I can understand their thought process. My guess is that a significant amount of customers opted for the 530 because they didn't want to rely on touchscreen input only. Having both options seems like a good decision. Admittedly a decision that would have been obvious for the 1040 as well.usr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:24 pmSuper weird to see all those leaks suggesting an 840 with buttons (one even has discernible solar and buttons, that wouldn't be in an image mixup).
I mean I'm all for it, having a touchscreen but also buttons for when you want to keep the screen clean, but I'd have expected "both" to become a 1040 exclusive, and when the 1040 turned out to be touch only, the 1050. Will the 840 be ahead of the 1040 in having both? That would mean that Garmin *really* sucks at making a product portfolio where lower price offerings don't cannibalize higher ranges! (oh, we kind of knew that before, right? But every time that knowledge is confirmed again it's a new surprise!)
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They also need to work on the hardware. USB-C port that stop charging / provide loud warning when the port is wet (try that with a Samsung phone and you'll be presented with a loud warning); change to Garmin style mount completely or make that adaptor plate won't break anymore. (seriously, why invent their own mounting tab when the Garmin style is so popular... licensing issue?)
I want them to improve and then in turn push Garmin to leap. I like Garmin Edge hardware design more than competitors.
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According to the post on the5krunner (which I had not seen when I wrote my precious reply), the solar variant is a 540. If the original "three new SKU" prediction remains correct (which I'd take as a given considering that it's based on FCC registrations) I read that as 540, 540solar and 840. That would actually make a lot of sense, since many riders in the muddier variations of cycling actually prefer buttons and solar should be particularity attractive to those dreaming of off-grid adventure. If you don't won't to get completely carried away with variants and think that five might be a sweet spot, 1040(+s), 840, 540(+s) is clearly the best portfolio, if you had to sacrifice either the 1040 solar or the 540 solar to have an 840 solar it's really the 840 point that shouldn't have a solar option.thirdsun wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:09 pmIt is a strange choice indeed. However I can understand their thought process. My guess is that a significant amount of customers opted for the 530 because they didn't want to rely on touchscreen input only. Having both options seems like a good decision. Admittedly a decision that would have been obvious for the 1040 as well.usr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:24 pmSuper weird to see all those leaks suggesting an 840 with buttons (one even has discernible solar and buttons, that wouldn't be in an image mixup).
I mean I'm all for it, having a touchscreen but also buttons for when you want to keep the screen clean, but I'd have expected "both" to become a 1040 exclusive, and when the 1040 turned out to be touch only, the 1050. Will the 840 be ahead of the 1040 in having both? That would mean that Garmin *really* sucks at making a product portfolio where lower price offerings don't cannibalize higher ranges! (oh, we kind of knew that before, right? But every time that knowledge is confirmed again it's a new surprise!)
alanyu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:35 amwait wait wait. Is the battery life a joke? Edge 830 is expected 20 hrs with navigation on, 2 sensors connected, phone connected and auto brightness always on, while up to 40 hrs with saver mode. My 830 can hold roughly 24 hrs with navigation on, 3 sensors connected and auto brightness 10 seconds when new (and yes the battery degraded with time going), so I can expect at least 26 hrs with navigation off and nothing connected.
However, 840 is only up to 26 hrs. and 42 hrs. with saver mode. There is almost no improvement about battery life. 1040 has a holy 45% more battery life under high load vs 1030 plus (35 vs 24). I'm disappointed on not including a larger battery/making full use of internal space.
I charge my 1040 solar every other month or so. I ride 3-4 days a week.
Heh, I wonder if Ray responds to *any* comment threads on his sites in days like these, might just give himself a temporary write ban and take a few days off, as a measure of prudence
(yeah I know this speculation won't work out in reality, because across all of Garmin's et al product ranges few days aren't "days like these", it just feels that way in our cycling bubble)
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Why would it be 3 SKU's? Garmin offers each model in 3 versions, Head Unit, Bundle & MTB, which would each require an individual SKU. I would be surprised if Garmin don't offer solar on both.usr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:10 pmAccording to the post on the5krunner (which I had not seen when I wrote my precious reply), the solar variant is a 540. If the original "three new SKU" prediction remains correct (which I'd take as a given considering that it's based on FCC registrations) I read that as 540, 540solar and 840. That would actually make a lot of sense, since many riders in the muddier variations of cycling actually prefer buttons and solar should be particularity attractive to those dreaming of off-grid adventure. If you don't won't to get completely carried away with variants and think that five might be a sweet spot, 1040(+s), 840, 540(+s) is clearly the best portfolio, if you had to sacrifice either the 1040 solar or the 540 solar to have an 840 solar it's really the 840 point that shouldn't have a solar option.thirdsun wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:09 pmIt is a strange choice indeed. However I can understand their thought process. My guess is that a significant amount of customers opted for the 530 because they didn't want to rely on touchscreen input only. Having both options seems like a good decision. Admittedly a decision that would have been obvious for the 1040 as well.usr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:24 pmSuper weird to see all those leaks suggesting an 840 with buttons (one even has discernible solar and buttons, that wouldn't be in an image mixup).
I mean I'm all for it, having a touchscreen but also buttons for when you want to keep the screen clean, but I'd have expected "both" to become a 1040 exclusive, and when the 1040 turned out to be touch only, the 1050. Will the 840 be ahead of the 1040 in having both? That would mean that Garmin *really* sucks at making a product portfolio where lower price offerings don't cannibalize higher ranges! (oh, we kind of knew that before, right? But every time that knowledge is confirmed again it's a new surprise!)