new frame rumors for 2023?

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Maddie
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by Maddie

RDY wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:13 am
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:58 pm
The post already suggests a new WC paintjob. Not sure why we’d assume anything else.
You'll know the SL8 is close when they launch a slew of special edition paintjobs, month after month, for the SL7.
They pumped out many special edition SL7 in 2022 as well

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by LOWIEV

Maddie wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:24 pm
RDY wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:13 am
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:58 pm
The post already suggests a new WC paintjob. Not sure why we’d assume anything else.
You'll know the SL8 is close when they launch a slew of special edition paintjobs, month after month, for the SL7.
They pumped out many special edition SL7 in 2022 as well
anyway, a SL8 is certainly coming in 2023.
Talked to my local Spesh dealer and he confirmed. The Spesh rep told him announcement at TDF.
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C36 wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:08 pm
Sorry that’s (absolute) nonsense Image.
Open a bike catalogue and look… let’s start there before going forward and talk engineering.
You don't believe that engineering within a given set of constraints (as bike design requires) - causes convergence around an optimum solution, really?

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by C36

maquisard wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:08 pm
C36 wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:08 pm
Sorry that’s (absolute) nonsense Image.
Open a bike catalogue and look… let’s start there before going forward and talk engineering.
You don't believe that engineering within a given set of constraints (as bike design requires) - causes convergence around an optimum solution, really?
Yes really... It's not a belief it's a fact and I say this as an Engineer, if each problem had only 1 solution, we wouldn't need Engineers.
Furthermore you seem to ignore that each design is a ballance between MANY parameters, from mechanical (aero being only one of them), manufacturing or financial POV. For example Pinarello never put weight at the same level than other brands.

edit: if you think they would have kept them on a hour record bike if they were completely "stupid"...

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C36 wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:44 pm
Yes really... It's not a belief it's a fact and I say this as an Engineer, if each problem had only 1 solution, we wouldn't need Engineers.
Convergence around an optimum solution is not saying there is only one solution...

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by eric01

If there was only 1 solution then we wouldn’t have that monstrosity bianchi oltre with the head tube fins.
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maquisard wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:16 pm
C36 wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:44 pm
Yes really... It's not a belief it's a fact and I say this as an Engineer, if each problem had only 1 solution, we wouldn't need Engineers.
Convergence around an optimum solution is not saying there is only one solution...
Ok so one optimum solution can have a wavy fork then

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by RadB

BigBoyND wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:16 am
maquisard wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:16 pm
C36 wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:44 pm
Yes really... It's not a belief it's a fact and I say this as an Engineer, if each problem had only 1 solution, we wouldn't need Engineers.
Convergence around an optimum solution is not saying there is only one solution...
Ok so one optimum solution can have a wavy fork then
Just wait for someone to bring out a bike or helmet with winglets all over it, like that horrific Ducati a few years ago. It's just a matter of time and will make the Bianchi look tame, unless it's already out there.

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by wheelsONfire

Ah, i repeat myself, i would easily take Dogma F over any other frameset currently available.
But if you ask me if it would be same if i paid retail, i would say no way!
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by Mocs123

I'm not sure if my OCD could handle "Pinarello" on one side of the downtube and "Dogma" on the other!
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by twoangstroms

Mocs123 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 3:07 pm
I'm not sure if my OCD could handle "Pinarello" on one side of the downtube and "Dogma" on the other!
Haha! I feel that so much. The old Chris Chance harlequin paint job I could do, but hard agree.

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by MilesG813

Buexx wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:15 am
CustomMetal wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:10 am
My source in the big S says August for SL8, but that may be available rather than release
The SL8 surely will be launched for the Tour, or? Maybe available for the public to buy in August?
I guess my question is why then are they teasing new handlebars for the SL7? If there really was an SL8 around the corner wouldn't they hold the bars back as part of that rollout?
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by ichobi

Teasing doesnt mean available for purchase in the near future right? Could be a test unit running on sl7 before comes bundled with an sl8, hence justifying the definite price increase.


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by StiffWeenies

I know that a new SL8 is planned and all, but Spesh has so much brand equity that they could easily get away with selling the current SL7 with the new cockpit and maybe a layup update ala '21 Madone

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by robeambro

StiffWeenies wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:38 am
I know that a new SL8 is planned and all, but Spesh has so much brand equity that they could easily get away with selling the current SL7 with the new cockpit and maybe a layup update ala '21 Madone
The new cockpit is meant to add hype and aerodynamic credentials to the new model, selling the SL7 with it would be a questionable move as it would only dilute the perceived value of the new model.

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