new frame rumors for 2023?

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robeambro
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by robeambro

It could be interesting, probably positioning itself above the uprising sector of 'Chinese frames' (over which, Decathlon can offer arguably better / easier post sale support, at least in Europe/UK), and the struggling sector of top end mainstream frames (which are becoming too expensive to many). It could capture plenty of demand. Of course if they price too close to the likes of Specialized/Trek/etc merely because they're now (clothing) sponsor of a low-level WT team (and I guess their sights are on bike sponsorship), then good luck to them..
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by Karvalo

Steve K wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:33 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:19 pm
RDY wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:51 pm

In the bike industry the vast majority of the margin falls to the brand. POS typically gets a small cut.
The frameset I saw had a retailer price 1/4th of MSRP. Lower than most retail categories I can think of, including apparel. The luxury goods comparison is valid.
I have worked in the industry since 2005 and this is not even close to being accurate.
I'm guessing he means the retailer cut of the MSRP was 25% - not that the retailer paid only 25% of MSRP. In which case, especially if in the US sales tax isn't included in the calculation then it sounds right for a lot of high end frames these days.

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by RDY

Karvalo wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:29 pm
Steve K wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:33 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:19 pm
RDY wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:51 pm

In the bike industry the vast majority of the margin falls to the brand. POS typically gets a small cut.
The frameset I saw had a retailer price 1/4th of MSRP. Lower than most retail categories I can think of, including apparel. The luxury goods comparison is valid.
I have worked in the industry since 2005 and this is not even close to being accurate.
I'm guessing he means the retailer cut of the MSRP was 25% - not that the retailer paid only 25% of MSRP. In which case, especially if in the US sales tax isn't included in the calculation then it sounds right for a lot of high end frames these days.
He meant the latter ... but Trek definitely ain't doing that in Europe or Asia ...

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by C36

Decathlon covers a wide range of prices but always struggled to reach high-end market, the creation of a specific road brand (Van Rysel) was meant to expand toward top of the line range.
Something people don't realize is how powerfull and healthy is Decathlon (14b$ revenue - 913m$ net) if we compare to let's say Specialized (500m$ if memory serves me well)... even if we need to ventilate this over pretty much all sports (from ski to running, from horse-ride to x-fit...) their RnD is top level.

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Karvalo wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:29 pm
Steve K wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:33 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:19 pm
RDY wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:51 pm

In the bike industry the vast majority of the margin falls to the brand. POS typically gets a small cut.
The frameset I saw had a retailer price 1/4th of MSRP. Lower than most retail categories I can think of, including apparel. The luxury goods comparison is valid.
I have worked in the industry since 2005 and this is not even close to being accurate.
I'm guessing he means the retailer cut of the MSRP was 25% - not that the retailer paid only 25% of MSRP. In which case, especially if in the US sales tax isn't included in the calculation then it sounds right for a lot of high end frames these days.
Having worked 'in the industry' briefly when I was a student in the mid-2000s the mark-ups being mentioned with a cost price of 25% of MSRP are absolute nonsense. It is never near that.

Accessories and clothing cost price was about 50% or MSRP. Frames and groupsets etc were more than that, cost price in the region of 60-70% MSRP but depended on a lot of things and whether stuff was bought through official distributors or grey channels.

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by derosa2000

StiffWeenies wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:48 am
The entry level Colnago V3 has been updated to fully internal routing for the '23 model year
True.Now its clean ..
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by RDY

derosa2000 wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:30 am
StiffWeenies wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:48 am
The entry level Colnago V3 has been updated to fully internal routing for the '23 model year
True.Now its clean ..
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Paintjob looks much nicer than the top end ones.

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by otnemem

C36 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:47 pm
Decathlon covers a wide range of prices but always struggled to reach high-end market, the creation of a specific road brand (Van Rysel) was meant to expand toward top of the line range.
Something people don't realize is how powerfull and healthy is Decathlon (14b$ revenue - 913m$ net) if we compare to let's say Specialized (500m$ if memory serves me well)... even if we need to ventilate this over pretty much all sports (from ski to running, from horse-ride to x-fit...) their RnD is top level.
Indeed. Looks like they've really come to play this time around. If they keep true to their philosophy, they're in prime position to take on Canyon et al.

Btw, I've only heard good things about after sales experience with their bicycles. Very accommodating with particular requests even.

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by LanceLegstrong

derosa2000 wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:30 am
StiffWeenies wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:48 am
The entry level Colnago V3 has been updated to fully internal routing for the '23 model year
True.Now its clean ..
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by C36

A detail on the Van Ryssel showing they took things seriously. The frame has been designed using ONERA (national office of aerospace studies and research) facilities that include several wind tunnels and at least one supercomputer.

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by mrbrown4001

C36 wrote:A detail on the Van Ryssel showing they took things seriously. The frame has been designed using ONERA (national office of aerospace studies and research) facilities that include several wind tunnels and at least one supercomputer.

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I really hope they sell this frame in the US


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by Nickldn

They are clearly taking the Rolex approach to printing text on their products.....hope it works out for them, but if I had one of their frames I would be looking to remove most of it as quickly as possible! Hope it's a sticker. :D
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by Bjobjo

Also saw the new Decathlon frames and was certainly shocked by the awesome looks. The price however was not at the same bang for the buck that I am used to from Decathlon.

On the same note, the new Koga frame is really nice in the flesh and the lower tier models still have the same frame shape but I was pleasantly surprised with the price. If I remember correctly is was about €4800 for a 105 DI2 bike.

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by RDY

What was tire clearance like on the Kogas?

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by C36

Bjobjo wrote:Also saw the new Decathlon frames and was certainly shocked by the awesome looks. The price however was not at the same bang for the buck that I am used to from Decathlon.

On the same note, the new Koga frame is really nice in the flesh and the lower tier models still have the same frame shape but I was pleasantly surprised with the price. If I remember correctly is was about €4800 for a 105 DI2 bike.
Do you have any detail I’m quite amazed that there is so little communication, the velofollies tradeshow coverage is actually extremely poor on social or web medias.

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