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DaveS wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:10 pm
I run a short cage Force AXS derailleur with a Garbaruk cage without the knuckle. 10-44 cassette and Flattop chain. Works excellent. Better than before when I used a XT 10-45 cassette with an XT chain.
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Will the Garbaruk cage / flat top chain also work with the 10-36 or 10-33 cassette? I have two sets of wheels (road / gravel) and prefer the smaller spacing on my road setup.

Also curious if anyone has tried the Garbaruk 10-48 or e thirteen 9-46 cassettes with either the Garbaruk cage or XPLR and what chains they used. Seems a few people had shifting issues with the e thirteen, but I never did when running an Eagle XX1 AXS rear and Eagle chain. Looking for the lightest setup (obviously, this is WW) which would be a red rear with Garbaruk cage and 9-46 cassette with a 42 front ring.

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by andy4g63

Not totally related, but will give it e shot.

Right now I have Force /AXS 48/35 with Red 10-33 cassette and chain.
Everything is perfect.

I am almost/key word ALMOST ready/to purchase the 10-36 cassette. But not there yet.

The cog spacing is terrible..
On low side is sort of the same level ke 10-33...
But on the high side, that stupid jump from 15-13, without 14t cog is stupid...

Yesterday I was trying during the ride to replicate it.
Missing that 14t cog is very uncomfortable for me.

On the road this right around 24-26MPH speed depending on terrain and jumping to 13 makes it difficult...
Unless u r on descent...

How do you guys find it???
I see quite few of you running the 10-36

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by TobinHatesYou

andy4g63 wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:41 pm
Not totally related, but will give it e shot.

Right now I have Force /AXS 48/35 with Red 10-33 cassette and chain.
Everything is perfect.

I am almost/key word ALMOST ready/to purchase the 10-36 cassette. But not there yet.

The cog spacing is terrible..
On low side is sort of the same level ke 10-33...
But on the high side, that stupid jump from 15-13, without 14t cog is stupid...

Yesterday I was trying during the ride to replicate it.
Missing that 14t cog is very uncomfortable for me.

On the road this right around 24-26MPH speed depending on terrain and jumping to 13 makes it difficult...
Unless u r on descent...

How do you guys find it???
I see quite few of you running the 10-36

You could try going 48/33. It will work, though shift quality will suffer a little bit.

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:45 pm
andy4g63 wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:41 pm
Not totally related, but will give it e shot.

Right now I have Force /AXS 48/35 with Red 10-33 cassette and chain.
Everything is perfect.

I am almost/key word ALMOST ready/to purchase the 10-36 cassette. But not there yet.

The cog spacing is terrible..
On low side is sort of the same level ke 10-33...
But on the high side, that stupid jump from 15-13, without 14t cog is stupid...

Yesterday I was trying during the ride to replicate it.
Missing that 14t cog is very uncomfortable for me.

On the road this right around 24-26MPH speed depending on terrain and jumping to 13 makes it difficult...
Unless u r on descent...

How do you guys find it???
I see quite few of you running the 10-36

You could try going 48/33. It will work, though shift quality will suffer a little bit.
i agree with above... or just go full 46/33 CR with a 10-28 cassette... that 10-28 is so sweet with all the single tooth jumps from 10-17... i would gladly give up some top speed for having a 14 and a 16t cog
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by itapersita

Is it possible to use the same chain and 2 set of wheels (gravel and road), one with 10-36 and the other with 10-28, combined with 46-33 chainrings in front?

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by DaveS

No. The 8 tooth difference is 2 inches of chain. If the chain will wrap the 46/36, it will be so long that up to 8T of the smaller sprockets would be unusable with the little ring.

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by TobinHatesYou

DaveS wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:50 am
No. The 8 tooth difference is 2 inches of chain. If the chain will wrap the 46/36, it will be so long that up to 8T of the smaller sprockets would be unusable with the little ring.

Huh? The "36t" Force AXS RD does just that. It takes both a 10-28t and a 10-36t. That means the RD has an official capacity of 39T and can handle 46x36 and 33x10 (technically 33x11 since AXS prevents you from shifting to the 10t when in the small ring.) You'd probably want to adjust the b-gap when moving between wheelsets, but that's all.

Not sure why this discussion is in the XPLR thread though. The XPLR RDs are 1x-only and go up to 10-44t.

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by DaveS

Of course you're right. My brain wasn't working again. I have my chain length set for a 48/36 big/big combo, so it will work with smaller cassettes too. The axs RD will wrap 42-43T.

I have a 48/31 with the 10-36 and the standard RD. Both RDs have the same wrap capacity.

I also use a 10-33, but it requires about 5 turns outward on the B screw.

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by andy4g63

How do I size the chain length correctly, so I will have enough length, but not too much with 10-33 and 10-36 cassettes running an aftermarket OSPW from NOVA Ride, which is longer than the standard RD cage and is using 14-17 t pulleys???

SRAM recommend 1 inner and 1 outer for 2X,
But may be I add 2inner, 2 outer for length when sizing on 10-33 and have a roomfor the 10-36 the longer cage...

And also how do you guys set B screw, since I don't have the SRAM red spacer.

I always set the gap closer, than Sram recommends and shifting is better for me...

P.S. also can I cut the flattop chain with reg chain tool?

Regards, thx
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by TobinHatesYou

To size a chain to the max capacity of a RD, run the chain through the RD in small-small so that the bottom portion of chain clears the portion of chain going around the guide pulley. There should be some tension in the cage. Since AXS doesn’t permit shifting into small-small you might need to do it in the next cog up and then shorten the chain by one full link (or not.)

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by DaveS

Big/big plus 1 inch. If you're using the 33T capacity RD, then the standard chain length formula works. The 36T capacity RD adds some length. I use a 55 inch chain with my 48/31, 415mm stays and 10-36 or 10-33 and the 33T capacity RD. A 54 inch is enough for the 10-33.

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by andy4g63

Thank guys , will do...

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by morrisond

Hi,

I building up a new Bikepacking Bike (Kona Sutra LTD) and want to put AXS on it. It has an 73MM shell width.

I would prefer something other than the pizza plate 10-50 cassette in the back (which is also very expensive).

I like the idea of the E-Thirteen 9-46 vs the XPLR cassette for more range.

With a 9 I would probably go 34 or 36 up front - with 10 36 or 38

Questions:

How good are the E-Thirteen Helix 9-46 cassettes from a shift and durability standpoint?

Should I just stick with an 10-44 or 10-50?

What is going to shift an 9-46 better - Rival XPLR or Eagle GX? Is the Spring vs Clutch on Rival XPLR a real downside?

If I stick with Rival XPLR and Flattop Chain what SRAM 1x crank should I use to get 34 or 36 up front? 73mm Shell width as well.

Can I run Eagle chain on Rival XPLR RD or should I change the pulleys to be compatible with the chain?

What is the Shifts/works like butter solution?

Thanks

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e13 "Helix" is only available in 9-50... The older e13 TRS+ is available in a 9-46; however this cassette is hit or miss with shifting on Sram AXS Derailleurs.. E13 states this, as it was never intended for Sram AXS.. Some people have had success and others havent..

I have and still experiment with a e13 TRS+ 9-46 cassette here and there.. Ive tested it with multiple chains and different AXS derailleurs with mixed results. Regardless of chain and derailleur ive used I have never had smooth shifting from the 9 to the 10 tooth cog.. Its just dances in the 9 for a 15 seconds then hops up.. Not smooth at all.

I have heard that the Chinese knock off cassettes on AliExpress (9-46) work well, because their cog spacing match AXS spacing..
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gSporco wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:28 pm
e13 "Helix" is only available in 9-50... The older e13 TRS+ is available in a 9-46; however this cassette is hit or miss with shifting on Sram AXS Derailleurs.. E13 states this, as it was never intended for Sram AXS.. Some people have had success and others havent..

I have and still experiment with a e13 TRS+ 9-46 cassette here and there.. Ive tested it with multiple chains and different AXS derailleurs with mixed results. Regardless of chain and derailleur ive used I have never had smooth shifting from the 9 to the 10 tooth cog.. Its just dances in the 9 for a 15 seconds then hops up.. Not smooth at all.

I have heard that the Chinese knock off cassettes on AliExpress (9-46) work well, because their cog spacing match AXS spacing..
I had the e13 9-46 with XX1 AXS RD and it shifter OK, with some very slight delay between the 10 and 12 tooth cog, but pretty smooth between 9-10 as well as the other jumps. But one thing I noticed is the e13 cassette with Eagle AXS RD was VERY sensitive to RD alignment. Basically the alignment with a Park Tool DAG had to be less than 2mm, so half what Park Tool recommends, for the 10-12 jump to be minimized. Anything greater and the jump would react similar to the post above - would take a while if shift at all.

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