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stjepan
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by stjepan

jlok wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:33 pm
Just set the B-screw according to SRAM manual, then check the chain slack at the smallest cog. If there is no slack, and the shifting is good, you're good to go. Otherwise, cut chain according to SRAM manual.
Perfect, thanks!

jfranci3
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by jfranci3

stjepan wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:07 pm
jfranci3 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:02 pm
Chain length. You might need two chains if you're going back and forth.

36t is about the smallest cassette that RD will run, so just start by backing the b-tension screw all the way out.
Yes, I have a second chain ready, but was wondering if I could get by just with the current one I'm using with the 10-44 cassette. If not, by how much should I shorten the new chain?
Intention is to have my road wheels equiped with 10-36 cassette and gravel wheels with the 10-44.
What kind of wheels are you using? FWIW, if it a DT swiss type hub, it's pretty dang easy to pluck and plop the cassette from one wheel to the next. I use a Rotor 12sp 11-39 for both. It's got better road-speed spacing than the SRAM 10-36 and weighs a lot less.
Force 10-36 = 310gr
XPLR Force = 378gr
Rotor 12 11-39 = 231gr

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RDY
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jfranci3 wrote:
Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:06 pm
stjepan wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:07 pm
jfranci3 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:02 pm
Chain length. You might need two chains if you're going back and forth.

36t is about the smallest cassette that RD will run, so just start by backing the b-tension screw all the way out.
Yes, I have a second chain ready, but was wondering if I could get by just with the current one I'm using with the 10-44 cassette. If not, by how much should I shorten the new chain?
Intention is to have my road wheels equiped with 10-36 cassette and gravel wheels with the 10-44.
What kind of wheels are you using? FWIW, if it a DT swiss type hub, it's pretty dang easy to pluck and plop the cassette from one wheel to the next. I use a Rotor 12sp 11-39 for both. It's got better road-speed spacing than the SRAM 10-36 and weighs a lot less.
Force 10-36 = 310gr
XPLR Force = 378gr
Rotor 12 11-39 = 231gr
Which RD / FD are you using the 11/39 with? Will it work with a 50/34 (necessitating rival FD I think)?

stjepan
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by stjepan

jfranci3 wrote:
Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:06 pm
stjepan wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:07 pm
jfranci3 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:02 pm
Chain length. You might need two chains if you're going back and forth.

36t is about the smallest cassette that RD will run, so just start by backing the b-tension screw all the way out.
Yes, I have a second chain ready, but was wondering if I could get by just with the current one I'm using with the 10-44 cassette. If not, by how much should I shorten the new chain?
Intention is to have my road wheels equiped with 10-36 cassette and gravel wheels with the 10-44.
What kind of wheels are you using? FWIW, if it a DT swiss type hub, it's pretty dang easy to pluck and plop the cassette from one wheel to the next. I use a Rotor 12sp 11-39 for both. It's got better road-speed spacing than the SRAM 10-36 and weighs a lot less.
Force 10-36 = 310gr
XPLR Force = 378gr
Rotor 12 11-39 = 231gr
I have 2 sets of wheels (both used on Rival etap XPLR 1x) - Cadex AR 35 for gravel riding (with 10-44 cassette) and Cadex 65 for road riding (I have replaced the 10-44 cassette with the 10-36 one on those). Other than b-screw, I didn't have to do anything else with this change. There's no excessive chain slack, I even didn't have to adjust the low limit screw after removing the 10-44 cassette.

jfranci3
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by jfranci3

XPLR wont work 2x. You need Wide, which might work with the 11-39 cassette. If you look in the comments here, it looks like the the Wide RD doesn't work well.
https://blog.3t.bike/2020/05/14290/sram ... bike-tech/ If you want that range, you'll need to sacrifice top speed gearing with a Wide 46-30 rings and the 10-36 cassette. That'd lower your top pedaling speed ~5kph, which at 60kph very acceptable unless you've got an extremely long -2% decent. You're basically lowering everything down a gear.
http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS ... 6&UF2=2161

1x 42 x 10-44 should give you about the same low gearing as the 50/34 x 10-36, minus a couple of high-speed gears you likely don't need. 2x12 speed is kind of silly anyway.
http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS ... 4&UF2=2161



The Cadex is a toolfree system also, so if you don't mind a quick second of work while swapping wheelsets, you can save $200 on cassettes or have options sharing them.

andy4g63
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by andy4g63

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=169523
XPLR does work as a 2X,

But not with all the cassettes.

eins4eins
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by eins4eins

Anyone running a XPLR rear derailleur with a cassette bigger than 10-44? I toy with the idea to go one-by on the gravelbike and want to run a 10-48 cassette from Garbaruk. Not sure which rear derailleur to buy though. Eagle AXS or XPLR?

s3si1u
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by s3si1u

on that note, I wonder if any of the Garbaruk derailleur cages are compatible with the XPLR line. Anyone have some insight or experience?

EsotericCyclist
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by EsotericCyclist

eins4eins wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:05 pm
Anyone running a XPLR rear derailleur with a cassette bigger than 10-44? I toy with the idea to go one-by on the gravelbike and want to run a 10-48 cassette from Garbaruk. Not sure which rear derailleur to buy though. Eagle AXS or XPLR?
I was looking at doing the same setup in the back but I think a 44t will be plenty for me so I'll use a XPLR cassette. If you go XPLR you'll need to buy a long derailleuer cage from what I know because XPLR only works up to a 44t. Luckily Garbaruk does sell that stuff for a great price, I just don't have any expericene with it.

EsotericCyclist
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by EsotericCyclist

s3si1u wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:11 am
on that note, I wonder if any of the Garbaruk derailleur cages are compatible with the XPLR line. Anyone have some insight or experience?
https://www.garbaruk.com/sram-12-speed- ... ategory=15

jfranci3
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by jfranci3

EsotericCyclist wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:00 pm
eins4eins wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:05 pm
Anyone running a XPLR rear derailleur with a cassette bigger than 10-44? I toy with the idea to go one-by on the gravelbike and want to run a 10-48 cassette from Garbaruk. Not sure which rear derailleur to buy though. Eagle AXS or XPLR?
I was looking at doing the same setup in the back but I think a 44t will be plenty for me so I'll use a XPLR cassette. If you go XPLR you'll need to buy a long derailleuer cage from what I know because XPLR only works up to a 44t. Luckily Garbaruk does sell that stuff for a great price, I just don't have any expericene with it.
I'm running a 11-46. I'm thinking tune would be dicey for a 10/11-48 as the chain would likely skip in the 10/11 because of b-tension. You'd need to have the chainline pushed out a bit and chain length perfect.

Gee76
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by Gee76

eins4eins wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:05 pm
Anyone running a XPLR rear derailleur with a cassette bigger than 10-44? I toy with the idea to go one-by on the gravelbike and want to run a 10-48 cassette from Garbaruk. Not sure which rear derailleur to buy though. Eagle AXS or XPLR?
I've been running a Rival AXS XPLR on my 1* MTB (Kingdom Vendetta) with X01 10-50 cassette ok so far. It's a hardtail so no chain growth to manage (so may be different on a full Susser) and not sure the clutch is as strong but it's worked ok so far.

s3si1u
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by s3si1u

FWIW I've confirmed with Garbaruk that AXS XPLR derailleurs are compatible with the road AXS cage and pulleys. May be picking that up along with their 10-48 or 10-50 cassette in the near future.
The 10-44 range with a 40t chainring is good enough for me most of the time, but sometimes I'd like a high top end speed, especially on the road. I'd hate to give up the low end by switching to a bigger chainring, though, so a 42 or 44t chainring with the Garbaruk solution is ideal for me.

DawnBat
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by DawnBat

Anyone tested the shimano MTB RD with XPLR 1231?
Which chain does this combination need? Except flat-top... eagle? shimano? or KMC or some cheaper one?

NLC86
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by NLC86

eins4eins wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:05 pm
Anyone running a XPLR rear derailleur with a cassette bigger than 10-44? I toy with the idea to go one-by on the gravelbike and want to run a 10-48 cassette from Garbaruk. Not sure which rear derailleur to buy though. Eagle AXS or XPLR?
Anyone tried this? XPLR RD with 10-48 cassette....

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