Look at Cannondale SuperSIX Evo Gen4 then, looks awesome with Campagnolo RecordAJS914 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:09 pmI was looking at a Tarmac SL7 for my next frame and even though it will accomodate mechanical shifting, I'm not confident in getting Campagnolo to work perfectly though all the twists and turns of the stem. I struggled with cable drag on 11 speed routing through some 3T handlbars. I finally just taped the cables under the bars old school and got my drivetrain to shift perfectly.
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I'm pretty sure I have mentioned it multiple times already, but I have built a new bike with Di2, only to realize I hate electric shifting. This is when I went into mechanical Campagnolo, which I absolutely admire. I plan to use mechanical until parts are available and have already bought a spare Chorus 12 group just in case.
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My wifes bike has etap 11 and my backup bike has it as well as my new main bike with AXS and no issues with wireless frequencies. They have only been paired one time only and I replaced a RD on the backup bike with a single pairing on it once only. When I first got my etap I put the RD on the ground and walked away with the shifter to see what kind of range it had. I was about 3 meters away and it was shifting like I was standing right beside it.TobinHatesYou wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:41 pm
And yet everyone has gone wireless, at least between the shifters and derailleurs.
One eTap/AXS, I’ve literally never had an issue with interference, but I have repeatedly been around Di2 connector issues at the local very bumpy road races. If you ask any AXS owner, I’d bet none will say they’ve had interference issues.
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Seems liek Campy positioned itself well here. Groups were already 12speed, they already had a hub solution going back to 9 speed, and they can keep making SR12 mech, hydro mech, and wireless now. I need wireless to make my travel easier for an electronic bike. Been putting some $$$ aside waiting for this and planned on around 5-6k USD.
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I've been down the Di2 road 2x and EPS 1x. Always to return to Mech. Currently I have an EKAR Bike and SR 11 (It's lighter). However this winter I put Rival AXS 1X Mullet on my travel/winter/gravel bike. It works really well.gorkypl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:50 pmI'm pretty sure I have mentioned it multiple times already, but I have built a new bike with Di2, only to realize I hate electric shifting. This is when I went into mechanical Campagnolo, which I absolutely admire. I plan to use mechanical until parts are available and have already bought a spare Chorus 12 group just in case.
Quite frankly I'm just kind of done setting up another mech bike. AXS 1x was so simple it's not even funny - about as easy as installing a Saddle.
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I've been tempted to run a 1x Mullet but just can't look past bailing on a Campy for it. Ekar electronic wouls fit that bill if it ever came to fruition.morrisond wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pmI've been down the Di2 road 2x and EPS 1x. Always to return to Mech. Currently I have an EKAR Bike and SR 11 (It's lighter). However this winter I put Rival AXS 1X Mullet on my travel/winter/gravel bike. It works really well.gorkypl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:50 pmI'm pretty sure I have mentioned it multiple times already, but I have built a new bike with Di2, only to realize I hate electric shifting. This is when I went into mechanical Campagnolo, which I absolutely admire. I plan to use mechanical until parts are available and have already bought a spare Chorus 12 group just in case.
Quite frankly I'm just kind of done setting up another mech bike. AXS 1x was so simple it's not even funny - about as easy as installing a Saddle.
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This new Super Record seems the opposite of what I was waiting for.
Instead of "Ekar EPS slimmed for road", we're getting new shifters (why?), smaller gears (less efficient), wireless (pricier and dicier) and still 12-speed.
So I'll probably get Ultegra like everyone else, and try not to notice how soullessly ugly it is, as it shifts twice as fast and costs 1/3 as much.
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Instead of "Ekar EPS slimmed for road", we're getting new shifters (why?), smaller gears (less efficient), wireless (pricier and dicier) and still 12-speed.
So I'll probably get Ultegra like everyone else, and try not to notice how soullessly ugly it is, as it shifts twice as fast and costs 1/3 as much.
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I'm with you. I was really looking forward to a lighter better and perhaps electronic roadish version of Ekar. Or at least an EPS 13 with both 1x and 2x options. This is just a lot of unnecessary features for a hefty price tag. I'll pass as well.
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Was hoping for 13s with 11-36 cassette I could use with 52/36 chainrings.
Would rather go for AXS than this, more range and yes much cheaper. Less cool? Maybe.
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Again, EKAR is a single gear cable and for the most part, rear shifting is the exact same with mechanical or electronic. Front shifting is where electronic is much nicer. Don't understant the demand for a electronic 1x system.FatsoHorny wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:12 amThis new Super Record seems the opposite of what I was waiting for.
Instead of "Ekar EPS slimmed for road", we're getting new shifters (why?), smaller gears (less efficient), wireless (pricier and dicier) and still 12-speed.
So I'll probably get Ultegra like everyone else, and try not to notice how soullessly ugly it is, as it shifts twice as fast and costs 1/3 as much.
Campy, I loved you, but we're just growing different ways.
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As a newish user of Ekar I think it's about the best mechanical shifting I've ever used. I'd agree that in practical terms, electronic Ekar would bring little to the party. However it's clear that "it's electronic!" has shop-floor appeal.
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Despite being a rim brake, narrowish-tyre curmudgeon, I must admit I do like electric gears (why "electronic"?), and can't understand why anyone who has used both would prefer mechanical.
Shifting is always going to be a greater-force, longer-throw action with mechanical. Also, I've never had to ride home with only 52/11 and 36/11 gears because my EPS had died, but I've had to do it several times due to a rear mech cable snapping (either in the lever or at the BB).
Is the greater physical interaction the attraction?
Shifting is always going to be a greater-force, longer-throw action with mechanical. Also, I've never had to ride home with only 52/11 and 36/11 gears because my EPS had died, but I've had to do it several times due to a rear mech cable snapping (either in the lever or at the BB).
Is the greater physical interaction the attraction?
I don't think greater physical is relevant but simple as in KISS isneeb wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:16 pmShifting is always going to be a greater-force, longer-throw action with mechanical. Also, I've never had to ride home with only 52/11 and 36/11 gears because my EPS had died, but I've had to do it several times due to a rear mech cable snapping (either in the lever or at the BB).
Is the greater physical interaction the attraction?
I mean the bicycle is/was an amazing piece of transportation in its simple almost foolproof configuration
So lets add electronic micro switches, servo's, batteries, wires, remote switches & for what?
To simplify an utterly simple process of shifting?
About greater physical interaction....I mean after all we are supposedly exercising
We could ride a couch & get even less physical than electronic but in any case..
About the snapping several? rear mech cables I am really amazed
in 35+ years of riding I have snapped zero rear derailleur cables...zero brakes cables ...& just one front derailleur cable...
which was totally my own fault as I had frayed it when doing a tension adjust & never replaced it
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In which case, let's go back to friction levers on the down tube! The benefit I get is changing gears despite arthritis in my hands & wrists.flying wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:57 amI mean the bicycle is/was an amazing piece of transportation in its simple almost foolproof configurationneeb wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:16 pmShifting is always going to be a greater-force, longer-throw action with mechanical. Also, I've never had to ride home with only 52/11 and 36/11 gears because my EPS had died, but I've had to do it several times due to a rear mech cable snapping (either in the lever or at the BB).
Is the greater physical interaction the attraction?
So lets add electronic micro switches, servo's, batteries, wires, remote switches & for what?
To simplify an utterly simple process of shifting?
In a similar timeframe I have had a similar experience. However, with EPS & Di2 I have had zero issues with battery failures, misaligned indexing or anything else. The only problem I have had was entirely due to me deciding to continue riding after straightening a bent mech hanger. That would have been expensive on mechanical but was almost triple the cost because I was on Di2. Lesson learned!About the snapping several? rear mech cables I am really amazed
in 35+ years of riding I have snapped zero rear derailleur cables...zero brakes cables ...& just one front derailleur cable...
which was totally my own fault as I had frayed it when doing a tension adjust & never replaced it