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Or 1 Hyperon.ultimobici wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:09 amLOL! That's a pair of wheels!
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So the issue is with your daft gloves rather than the thumb levers.Nickldn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:53 pmbut impossible in long gloves due to slippery coating at end of index finger and thumb for phone screen use. A fairly minor annoyance, but definitely an area where Campy's stiff mechanical shifting action is a pain. Finger just slips off before enough force can be applied to the lever. Even worse when raining.
Yeah, I'm the only guy in the world with long finger gloves from Gore and of course no other manufacturers make gloves with phone screen pads.
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I do find the position of the thumb button on eps, centaur, potenza and especially EKAR, to be much better than on mechanical Chorus, record and Super record.Nickldn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:53 pmWas riding Chorus 12s mechanical today with Gore long finger gloves and can't shift up with thumb shifters when in drops. This is doable in short gloves, but impossible in long gloves due to slippery coating at end of index finger and thumb for phone screen use. A fairly minor annoyance, but definitely an area where Campy's stiff mechanical shifting action is a pain. Finger just slips off before enough force can be applied to the lever. Even worse when raining.neeb wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:26 pmIf I'm in the drops with EPS and I want to change down I just reach out my index finger and touch the shift lever. With mechanical I'd sometimes use two fingers, and you need to move the lever some distance with moderate force. Easy enough of course, but it requires a little more dexterity in some situations where you want to maintain as secure a grip on the bars as possible, e.g. when cornering.
Really easy shifting is an area where electronic excels, it just gets out of the way and allows you to focus on more important things....I guess this is one of the reasons racers prefer it.
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I tried Di2 on my Sagan Tarmac SL5 (First time in 27 years of anything but Campag Mechanical) At first I was excited about it and really liked it.. for me it was something new and cool... over the first few months, just started getting weird issues, front derailleur ghost shifting, rear derailleur not wanting to drop to the 11 cog.. all these were taken to the shop, alignment was perfect, firmware updated, no errors... in the final race of the year we were on a 9km loop course which crosses the same set of train tracks twice (yes Manitoba racing.. dont get me going on it) anyways, as usual, we get stopped by a train and the officials decide now that there is no time to finish the actual race, so now its a 1.5km drag race from the tracks to the finish line... I didnt even have a chance to get going, as soon as I stood up and pushed, Di2 decides to dump into the 39 ring, and I watched everyone ride away.. eventually got back on.. and that was the end of Di2 for me (except ultegra on my CX bike).. on a sidenote, the one thing I really did miss was the sprint shifters initially, but after a little time, I got used to them not being there..
I've owned Shimano 9070 and 9150 before switching to 12s EPS.
9070 was the most quiet, all of them have the plus of never needing an adjustment on the cables which comes from eletric groupsets.
The plus on the Shimano were on my view;
- spare/compatible parts have a huge choice
- switching between wheels didn't need adjustments as compared to EPS
- no need to battery magnet to tun it off
Other than that, all nice groupsets with minor differences.
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- EPS is built so well that you really don't need spare electronic parts - in the decade I've been running it I've had to swap a shifter that I broke through cack handedness, not through a fault - and I had a new one days later. When it came to an upgrade from V1 to V3 I had everything I needed in no time at all.
- A wheel swap is near enough one to three micro shifts up or down and the job's done.
- I've used the magnet a handfull of times when a bike's needed to go into a box / aircraft hold - at home it's never used.
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Not what Micky meant I think. Every wheel brand on the market is available in HG, not all are in ED. Even Campag produce their wheels in HG.patchandscruff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:59 am- EPS is built so well that you really don't need spare electronic parts - in the decade I've been running it I've had to swap a shifter that I broke through cack handedness, not through a fault - and I had a new one days later. When it came to an upgrade from V1 to V3 I had everything I needed in no time at all.
Fair enough- A wheel swap is near enough one to three micro shifts up or down and the job's done.
Not ideal according to Campag. Your EPS is constantly checking itself. It'll eventually need therapy!!- I've used the magnet a handfull of times when a bike's needed to go into a box / aircraft hold - at home it's never used.
Micky - friendly observation if you had to adjust the derailer slightly when you did a wheel change wouldn't the issue be dimensional differences on the wheel sets versus an issue with the EPS just thinking about it anywaysmicky wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:32 pmI've owned Shimano 9070 and 9150 before switching to 12s EPS.
9070 was the most quiet, all of them have the plus of never needing an adjustment on the cables which comes from eletric groupsets.
The plus on the Shimano were on my view;
- spare/compatible parts have a huge choice
- switching between wheels didn't need adjustments as compared to EPS
- no need to battery magnet to tun it off
Other than that, all nice groupsets with minor differences.
I've never used the magnet since the day I installed it when it came out, over 10 years ago.ultimobici wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:06 amNot ideal according to Campag. Your EPS is constantly checking itself. It'll eventually need therapy!!- I've used the magnet a handfull of times when a bike's needed to go into a box / aircraft hold - at home it's never used.
Mind you, I am just giving some real world lazy peoples experience and anyone that follows my lead is an idiot. If Campagnolo says to use it, you should.
Exactly that.
It just wasn't the case with Shimano, where I could swap training weel/racing wheel without any adjustment needed.
Luckily the setup with EPS is pretty simple as well as for Di2.
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Saw some prices for WRL, db rotors $71, casettes $325 (10-25, 10-27, 10-29) Medium Cage RD $800, crankset $960
Crank listed as Protech as well... my understanding is UT/Protech are not backwards compatible, so this would eliminate using the current Gen crank on there... so only option to go with a 53/39 would I assume be the hope of the current chainrings being compatible, or them releasing a 53/39 and larger?
Crank listed as Protech as well... my understanding is UT/Protech are not backwards compatible, so this would eliminate using the current Gen crank on there... so only option to go with a 53/39 would I assume be the hope of the current chainrings being compatible, or them releasing a 53/39 and larger?
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If I'm reading this right, why not just use a current gen crank with ultra-torque cups?ParisCarbon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:41 pmSaw some prices for WRL, db rotors $71, casettes $325 (10-25, 10-27, 10-29) Medium Cage RD $800, crankset $960
Crank listed as Protech as well... my understanding is UT/Protech are not backwards compatible, so this would eliminate using the current Gen crank on there... so only option to go with a 53/39 would I assume be the hope of the current chainrings being compatible, or them releasing a 53/39 and larger?
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True..never thought about that... Wonder what the new crank looks like... I've seen prices at a few places but the pics are not visible... Seems some places listed things earlier than they should have as well..there was a link to preorder posted on another forum, it came to approx $5600 usd apparently..that link is dead now...rollinslow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:53 amIf I'm reading this right, why not just use a current gen crank with ultra-torque cups?ParisCarbon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:41 pmSaw some prices for WRL, db rotors $71, casettes $325 (10-25, 10-27, 10-29) Medium Cage RD $800, crankset $960
Crank listed as Protech as well... my understanding is UT/Protech are not backwards compatible, so this would eliminate using the current Gen crank on there... so only option to go with a 53/39 would I assume be the hope of the current chainrings being compatible, or them releasing a 53/39 and larger?
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