I am talking about the eps Athena group. Never rode the mechanical version nor have I ridden an eps Super Record.Roel W wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:17 amIt depends how you define entry level.Vespasianus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:04 pmI don't think they want that. Potenza was a good choice but having two 11 speeds groups was confusing, even if one was rim brake only and one had a disc brake option. If you look at the current price structure, Chorus has moved a bit lower and is now the entry level Camapgnolo group and in that regard, is very competative. Campagnolo will not compete at the low end, and they should not. OEM will go to the cheaper chinese groupsets that are coming, not to Campag.
A Campagnolo Chorus disc mechanical groupset (12-speed) is about 1400€
A Shimano disc R8000 Ultegra (11-speed) groupset is about 890€ (https://www.mantel.com/be/shimano-r8020 ... ec[]=18752).
Ultegra is considered second best. But still abour 1/3 cheaper as Campagnolo 'entry level'.
Although I do love Camapgnolo I would spend my money on Ultegra.
I disagree.Vespasianus wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:04 pmThe lower priced EPS versions that I have tried (Athena 11 speed) have been dissapointing. If they do offer up another, non mechanical group, it should at least be as good if not better than the competetion. Shimano di2 shifts fast in the rear (as good as any top end mechanical system) and the front is just automatic- much better than any mechanical system. But I don't think we will ever see that. I could see a Record WPS but not a chorus.
I have a Athena 2010 groupset, the first affordable 11-speed groupset on the market. Internals of the Athena 2010 Ergopower are Record (check the part numbers in the spare parts catalogue).
This groupset has skeleton brakes, UltraTorque cranckset, Ultrashift Ergopowers,....and still works flawless.
But indeed let's keep the focus on 2023.
Rumors about the new Super Record WRL are quit clear. But will there be other news as well? Upgrade of mechanical groupsets? New gravel groupset?
But for 2023, Camapag needs to do something different. EKAR is different. EPS is not different and might be inferior to the competition. They can't afford to go low. Chorus is their entry level road bike groupset. Centaur is nice - have it on a bike as well - but as it is supposed to compete with Shimano 105, it shifts like Shimano 105.