110 bcd chairing : best shifting-quality/weight ratio

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by Yoln

Thank you all, I just ended up ordering the Praxis.

My thinking was that if I abandon the Extralite for better shifting, I might as well get the very best shifting, and BOR and Rotor don't seem to be quite close to Praxis in terms of shifting given the feedbacks

On the other end, SRAM and AbsoluteBlack are both heavier and more expensive than Praxis, and not better at shifting, so it was a no brainer.

I'll update on real weight and shifting quality once I have them on the bike!
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Yoln wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:22 pm
Hi,

I am suffering shifting PTSD every time I am approaching a climb. I've had mixed experience with Extralite shifting quality and terrible experience with TA-spécialité Syrius.

The weightweenie in might would like to give another shot at lightweight rings with Stronglight CT2, but I am doubting that it's gonna be a massive shifting improvement.

On the other end I'm also considering better shifting and slightly beefier rings like Praxis Buzz, Rotor NoQ and even Absolute Black, but that's getting really heavy...

I feel Wickwerks is a bit overkill for me at this stage.

Also, what about SRAM? Anything good there? I heard they lack stifness but that's about it

Running a Quarq Dzero with 110bcd spider. Derailleur is Campy SR 11 mech.
I just installed Stronglight CT2 for Sram cranks om my Etap. I've been running 50/36 but Stronglight have a combo that is designed for 48/36 which i installed.
Mainly because i want to see if i use more of the gears at the end of the cassette. Maybe i can come back to this thread and say if i notice any notable difference between the brands!? I run standard Etap.
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wheelsONfire wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:00 pm
I just installed Stronglight CT2 for Sram cranks om my Etap. I've been running 50/36 but Stronglight have a combo that is designed for 48/36 which i installed.
Mainly because i want to see if i use more of the gears at the end of the cassette. Maybe i can come back to this thread and say if i notice any notable difference between the brands!? I run standard Etap.
Definitely, that would be much appreciated!

I just replaced my standard chairing (currently Extralite 52/36), where weight is not actually that important. But I still need to replace my climbing chairings (currently TA specialite 50/34), and I am much more reluctant to get the heavy Praxis for that job, would love to have a better shifting alternative to the disastruous TA-specialite, and Stronglight seem to be the only possibility (I'm actually even considering getting compact Extralite rather than TA-Syrius, that's how terrible the TA are for me...)
Litespeed Gravel Ultimate : https://tinyurl.com/zvxxy8zk
Wilier “Cento Ramato“ : https://tinyurl.com/29vs8vre
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Yoln wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:35 pm
wheelsONfire wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:00 pm
I just installed Stronglight CT2 for Sram cranks om my Etap. I've been running 50/36 but Stronglight have a combo that is designed for 48/36 which i installed.
Mainly because i want to see if i use more of the gears at the end of the cassette. Maybe i can come back to this thread and say if i notice any notable difference between the brands!? I run standard Etap.
Definitely, that would be much appreciated!

I just replaced my standard chairing (currently Extralite 52/36), where weight is not actually that important. But I still need to replace my climbing chairings (currently TA specialite 50/34), and I am much more reluctant to get the heavy Praxis for that job, would love to have a better shifting alternative to the disastruous TA-specialite, and Stronglight seem to be the only possibility (I'm actually even considering getting compact Extralite rather than TA-Syrius, that's how terrible the TA are for me...)
I will try to get out tomorrow. But no promises made!
I will shift alot to proke chain jumping off. Even if it kills me, i just lost one bolt to assemble my Sram chain catcher, so i have to run without now.
It's not optimal at all since i needed to reset the FD. Well, i will come back to you.
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ooo wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:37 am
Shimano 5x110 11-speed chainrings for OEM crankset FC-RS500

Y1PR34010 Chainring 34T-MH for 50-34T (Silver)
Y1PR34000 Chainring 34T-MH for 50-34T (Black)
Y1PR36010 Chainring 36T-MJ for 46-36T/52-36T (Silver) ~ 39g
Y1PR36000 Chainring 36T-MJ for 46-36T/52-36T (Black) ~ 39g
Y1PR98010 Chainring 46T-MJ for 46-36T (Silver) ~ 93 g
Y1PR98020 Chainring 46T-MJ for 46-36T (Black) ~ 93 g
Y1PR98030 Chainring 50T-MH for 50-34T (Silver) ~ 103 g
Y1PR98040 Chainring 50T-MH for 50-34T (Black) ~ 103 g
Y1PR98050 Chainring 52T-MJ for 52-36T (Silver) ~ 122 g
Y1PR98060 Chainring 52T-MJ for 52-36T (Black) ~ 122 g
hmm, interesting.
Would that be better than SHIMANO FC-6750 chainrings?

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by Yoln

wheelsONfire wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:43 pm
I will try to get out tomorrow. But no promises made!
I will shift alot to proke chain jumping off. Even if it kills me, i just lost one bolt to assemble my Sram chain catcher, so i have to run without now.
It's not optimal at all since i needed to reset the FD. Well, i will come back to you.
Thanks a lot!

I am honnestly not quite ready for this one, so you're in no rush really
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Why do Stronglights only get a 2/5 for shift quality?

We use them on a lot of bikes that come into the shop because they at least shift as good as the chainrings they are replacing (mostly sram & fsa).

I also have them on my personal bike and they shift great

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Yoln wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:45 pm
wheelsONfire wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:43 pm
I will try to get out tomorrow. But no promises made!
I will shift alot to proke chain jumping off. Even if it kills me, i just lost one bolt to assemble my Sram chain catcher, so i have to run without now.
It's not optimal at all since i needed to reset the FD. Well, i will come back to you.
Thanks a lot!

I am honnestly not quite ready for this one, so you're in no rush really
Don't care for that list! The shifting is great with Stronglight. A 2/5 is pure BS!!
I had no chain catcher because i managed to lose a bolt for Srams catcher.
My Stronglight are made as a pair with shift ramps, the Sram Red rings are not, as i used 50/36. So to be honest, the Stronglight shift better.
I couldn't manage to drop the chain even though i actually tried to provoke a chain drop. Part from that, it was easier to accelerate a 48T over a 50T.
One issue with Sram in 50/36 is that you need to let the chain climb up on the 50T. With Stronglight you can actually pedal on and shift.
With Sram, 50/36, when you down shift from 50-11/ 50-12 the chain jump between small and big chainring. SL chainrings - nope no way, just BOOM and there it is!

Short version, buy them!
Last edited by wheelsONfire on Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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dudemanppl wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:07 am
Odd, I had great luck with BORs, no issues setting up with mech or electronic. Shifted great!
this.. i have it paired with 9100 and i've had no issues with shifting quality after tweaking it a bit. in fact i quite liked it that i bought a second set for my other bike

this is coming from DA rings too.

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Yoln wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:47 am
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Actually, Absoluteblack round rings might be the stiffest ring here from the structural point of view. Just look at it, there are a lot of thick ribs which increase lateral chainring stiffness over other thin flat plate of aluminum. It is 5mm thick, atleast 25% thicker than most other rings not named Shimano. It is definitely stiffer than Sram and Praxis rings in my Di2 shifting test.
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On the shifting quality front,
While the shifting ramps are pretty large. I'd still rate 50/34 set at 4/5 because it has only 4 shifting ramps. Meaning there are only 4 possible locations where you can shift up to big ring. So, there can be a noticeable delay until you rotate the crank to the location where it can shift before the shift can happen. 52/36 has 6 ramps so it supposed to be noticeably better. But I haven't try it.

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wheelsONfire wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:31 pm
Don't care for that list! The shifting is great with Stronglight. A 2/5 is pure BS!!
I had no chain catcher because i managed to lose a bolt for Srams catcher.
My Stronglight are made as a pair with shift ramps, the Sram Red rings are not, as i used 50/36. So to be honest, the Stronglight shift better.
I couldn't manage to drop the chain even though i actually tried to provoke a chain drop. Part from that, it was easier to accelerate a 48T over a 50T.
One issue with Sram in 50/36 is that you need to let the chain climb up on the 50T. With Stronglight you can actually pedal on and shift.
With Sram, 50/36, when you down shift from 50-11/ 50-12 the chain jump between small and big chainring. SL chainrings - nope no way, just BOOM and there it is!

Short version, buy them!
Thanks a lot for the feedback! Stronglight it is for my 50/34 then! And at half the price of the Praxis...
Litespeed Gravel Ultimate : https://tinyurl.com/zvxxy8zk
Wilier “Cento Ramato“ : https://tinyurl.com/29vs8vre
#RETIRED# Lynskey “the Do-it-all Helix” 🧬:https://tinyurl.com/bdmb5y24

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Updated the table with your comments:

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Litespeed Gravel Ultimate : https://tinyurl.com/zvxxy8zk
Wilier “Cento Ramato“ : https://tinyurl.com/29vs8vre
#RETIRED# Lynskey “the Do-it-all Helix” 🧬:https://tinyurl.com/bdmb5y24

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Yoln wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:19 pm
wheelsONfire wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:31 pm
Don't care for that list! The shifting is great with Stronglight. A 2/5 is pure BS!!
I had no chain catcher because i managed to lose a bolt for Srams catcher.
My Stronglight are made as a pair with shift ramps, the Sram Red rings are not, as i used 50/36. So to be honest, the Stronglight shift better.
I couldn't manage to drop the chain even though i actually tried to provoke a chain drop. Part from that, it was easier to accelerate a 48T over a 50T.
One issue with Sram in 50/36 is that you need to let the chain climb up on the 50T. With Stronglight you can actually pedal on and shift.
With Sram, 50/36, when you down shift from 50-11/ 50-12 the chain jump between small and big chainring. SL chainrings - nope no way, just BOOM and there it is!

Short version, buy them!
Thanks a lot for the feedback! Stronglight it is for my 50/34 then! And at half the price of the Praxis...
Let me know what you think of them once you've been out riding!
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Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2019.01.03)
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by Jackofallgrades

Reviving this one, as I'm about to get some rings for the same setup (Dzero spider with Sram Red cranks). How are the Praxis/Stronglight rings performing?
Cannondale SSEvo3 'Atticus' - 7.2kg
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Yoln wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:22 pm
Hi,

I am suffering shifting PTSD every time I am approaching a climb. I've had mixed experience with Extralite shifting quality and terrible experience with TA-spécialité Syrius.

The weightweenie in me would like to give another shot at lightweight rings with Stronglight CT2, but I am doubting that it's gonna be a massive shifting improvement.

On the other end I'm also considering better shifting and slightly beefier rings like Praxis Buzz, Rotor NoQ and even Absolute Black, but that's getting really heavy...

I feel Wickwerks is a bit overkill for me at this stage.

Also, what about SRAM? Anything good there? I heard they lack stifness but that's about it

Running a Quarq Dzero with 110bcd spider. Derailleur is Campy SR 11 mech.
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Bikes:

Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2019.01.03)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)


Ex bike; Vial EVO D, Vial EVO Ultra, Scott Foil, Paduano ti bike.

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