What other cranksets are people getting to work with eTap AXS?

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DaveS
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by DaveS

The +2.5mm chainline is not optimal for axs. I rode my bike with it once, but the FD barely had enough travel to work. I'd reduce it by at least 1.5mm. Sram makes a wide FD to go with their +2.5 43/30 crank.

I've read that shimano's normal chainline is 43.5 and sram's is 45. If that's accurate, then perhaps as little as a 1mm reduction would work.

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Cento wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:02 pm
Sorry to resurrect this thread,,I just upgraded last week to AXS force 2X and keep my 11 speed Quarq PM,,it worked but its not shifting perfectly,I have to tweak limits and angles of the FD cage,I just need to ease a bit while shifting but Im happy for not spending more and used my old crankset,,

gSporco wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:38 pm
Im curious of those using non Sram AXS 2x Chainrings with Sram AXS Front Derailleur if you are having the same shifting issues (chaindrop) as others have had..

I ditched teh Sram AXS 2x for 1x because I couldnt get the chain to not drop.. I suspect this is becasue the Sram Chainring, chain ramps suck and dont move the chain, so you need to adgust the FD high/low to much then it throws the chain.
So, if I have 11-speed red crank, I can use SRAM force axs FD?
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by DaveS

The force axs FD can be tried with any 11 speed crank, but there's no guarantee how well it will work. I've used Campy 12 and shimano grx cranks with no problem and no wedge ever used.

The other issue is chain rings being too large. A 48/10 is the same as a 53/11.

You'd have better luck with a cassette that starts with an 11 and the wider shimano or Campy 12 chain to go with it.

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gSporco wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:38 pm
Im curious of those using non Sram AXS 2x Chainrings with Sram AXS Front Derailleur if you are having the same shifting issues (chaindrop) as others have had..

I ditched teh Sram AXS 2x for 1x because I couldnt get the chain to not drop.. I suspect this is becasue the Sram Chainring, chain ramps suck and dont move the chain, so you need to adgust the FD high/low to much then it throws the chain.
I have 2 bikes, one with Etap 11 sp and AB ovals 50/36... And Shimano xtrM9100 12sp. Chain...

Second Sram Force AXS with Red chain and cassette.

It has a Shimano 4bolt cranks with rotor Oval rings for AXS/ they also have round in 48/35t...

They both shift spectacular.
I mean superb and these are SRAM FD which are notorious for poor shifting.

With bike 1 and AB ovals never dropped a chain and shifting is on par with Di2...

On bike 2 with AXS,

I spent hours like 3-4 in total, tweaking the FD cage position and angle, because I have a shim between the braze on and FD Mount to get it little forward...

These Rotor rings work great, the pins are ok and downshifting Big to Small is instant.

Small to big is great too, only delayed not by the shift itself , but because I set it in Comp. mode in Axs app, so it will go 2 cogs up on the cassette and that is a half second after the chain goes to the big ring...

Also if your rear bottle mount allows, you can always install Sentinel dual chain catcher, made by WickWerks...

On my Axs I couldn't cause it interferes with the bottle cage....

On bike 1 I have it installed and even glued a piece of thin metal spot would still / hopefully keep the chain On even when on the lowest, side of the CR.

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by bobones

I've just swapped my Red eTap shifters and derailleurs for AXS ones. Shifters and RD are Red AXS and FD is Rival. I fitted a Force 10-33 to the rear wheel, which had been running an 11-28 Red XG1190 cassette, but as an experiment, left the 52-36 Red Exogram chainset that I'd previously fitted with Praxis Works Buzz 11 speed rings. I can only report that front shifting is perfect with the Rival FD as was no bother to set up. I have a Red AXS crankset to replace the old one, but I am thinking of sending it back because it doesn't actually seem necessary. I might buy some the 12 speed Buzz rings further down the line, but I see no harm in wearing out the old ones first.
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Typo on the 10-35. It's either a 10-36 or 10-33. Not surprised it works with other 11 speed rings. I wouldn't have any use for a 52/10 that's like a 57/11.

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DaveS wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:35 pm
Typo on the 10-35. It's either a 10-36 or 10-33. Not surprised it works with other 11 speed rings. I wouldn't have any use for a 52/10 that's like a 57/11.
Yes, sorry, 10-33 is what I meant. Indeed, 52/10 is extreme, but I was really just testing it out. I was interested to see if the Rival FD could go high enough to shift on the 52 ring, and it was no bother at all. Shifting setup and performance is much better than with the 11 speed FD too. I used the supplied alignment tool to set the RD initially then tweaked the position a little to avoid rubbing. I have not had a single dropped chain, overshoot, or bad shift since the initial positioning so there was no need to mess about dialing it in. I intend this to be a climbing bike with low gears so have bought a 46-33 Red AXS chainset which had a big discount on Wiggle. My other thought is to buy 50-34 12-speed Praxis rings, perhaps with the Rival 10-36 cassette, and get a refund from Wiggle for the AXS crank. My other 2 bikes are both 48/35 with 10-33 and I like the range, although I maybe need a little lower still for really steep stuff under fatigue.

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50/37 would be perfect for me if i used a 11-26 or 11-28.
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bobones wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:57 pm
DaveS wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:35 pm
Typo on the 10-35. It's either a 10-36 or 10-33. Not surprised it works with other 11 speed rings. I wouldn't have any use for a 52/10 that's like a 57/11.
Yes, sorry, 10-33 is what I meant. Indeed, 52/10 is extreme, but I was really just testing it out. I was interested to see if the Rival FD could go high enough to shift on the 52 ring, and it was no bother at all. Shifting setup and performance is much better than with the 11 speed FD too. I used the supplied alignment tool to set the RD initially then tweaked the position a little to avoid rubbing. I have not had a single dropped chain, overshoot, or bad shift since the initial positioning so there was no need to mess about dialing it in. I intend this to be a climbing bike with low gears so have bought a 46-33 Red AXS chainset which had a big discount on Wiggle. My other thought is to buy 50-34 12-speed Praxis rings, perhaps with the Rival 10-36 cassette, and get a refund from Wiggle for the AXS crank. My other 2 bikes are both 48/35 with 10-33 and I like the range, although I maybe need a little lower still for really steep stuff under fatigue.
I get that little bit lower with my GRX 48/31 and 10-33. It's no weight weenie crank though.

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Cento wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:02 pm
Sorry to resurrect this thread,,I just upgraded last week to AXS force 2X and keep my 11 speed Quarq PM,,it worked but its not shifting perfectly,I have to tweak limits and angles of the FD cage,I just need to ease a bit while shifting but Im happy for not spending more and used my old crankset,,

gSporco wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:38 pm
Im curious of those using non Sram AXS 2x Chainrings with Sram AXS Front Derailleur if you are having the same shifting issues (chaindrop) as others have had..

I ditched teh Sram AXS 2x for 1x because I couldnt get the chain to not drop.. I suspect this is becasue the Sram Chainring, chain ramps suck and dont move the chain, so you need to adgust the FD high/low to much then it throws the chain.
I have exactly the same crankset. How is it working so far?

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by joshmart10

Hi everyone, I am currently building a SEKA Exceed. I bought a 52-36 magene PES Crank and has 110bcd. Will a SRAM Rival AXS Wide d1 FD work properly on it? Thanks! I am also planning to put a 12 speed 11-30 Ultegra 8100 cassette along with it. Thank you!!!

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joshmart10 wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:30 pm
Hi everyone, I am currently building a SEKA Exceed. I bought a 52-36 magene PES Crank and has 110bcd. Will a SRAM Rival AXS Wide d1 FD work properly on it? Thanks! I am also planning to put a 12 speed 11-30 Ultegra 8100 cassette along with it. Thank you!!!
Growtac says that the Magene PM spider might have clearance issues with T47i

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A wide FD is for frames with a wide chainline. Any of them will shift a 16-17T difference.

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DaveS wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:38 pm
A wide FD is for frames with a wide chainline. Any of them will shift a 16-17T difference.
Hi, I'm sorry I am not quite versed in technical terms. Would that mean my FD will have problems shifting? Thanks!

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StiffWeenies wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:16 pm
joshmart10 wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:30 pm
Hi everyone, I am currently building a SEKA Exceed. I bought a 52-36 magene PES Crank and has 110bcd. Will a SRAM Rival AXS Wide d1 FD work properly on it? Thanks! I am also planning to put a 12 speed 11-30 Ultegra 8100 cassette along with it. Thank you!!!
Growtac says that the Magene PM spider might have clearance issues with T47i
This is interesting, thanks for the link. But we have one guy here that was able to fit his QED p505 crank in the SEKA Exceed. I asked him and he said that he made some adjustment with his spacers in the crank. Maybe I'll try if that will work with me as well.

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