New Scott foil.. at last!
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If Scott can make itself the luxury brand of cycling kind of like how people formerly viewed Pina or Factor before other brands prices caught up to them, then the price could be here to stay. But! If there's a bad downturn in the economy, these 16K bikes may be going for a deal if people have the disposable income to get them.
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But hey, it has hydraulic disc brakes, so it can't be all that bad...
These bike prices have me hoping that the new Propel or Soloist is remotely reasonable in pricing. Can't even think of anything else that would be carbon, somewhat aero, and in my pricepoint with 105 and not be a boat anchor
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Propel might be ok-ish. Then there is still Canyon, Cube, Rose who are somewhat more sensible, even if they also raised their prices. Aeroad CFR is like 40% cheaper than this Scott. And Aeroad CFR frameset comes for a price less than other top tier frames, while including shifters, cockpit and brake calipers in the package. Yes, the bike has had some issues, but it is still very fast and light, so if you are after function over brand, then there is that option to consider.justkeepedaling wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:46 pmBut hey, it has hydraulic disc brakes, so it can't be all that bad...
These bike prices have me hoping that the new Propel or Soloist is remotely reasonable in pricing. Can't even think of anything else that would be carbon, somewhat aero, and in my pricepoint with 105 and not be a boat anchor
If your outside the US, I just picked up a Merida Reacto with ultegra mechanical, it's heavy (standard wheels are 2kg) but is proving to be a great riding bike for cheap. I was coming from a canyon ultimate with 6800 di2 but after an accident needed a new bike fast. Initially worried about going back to mechanical but it's been a non issue.justkeepedaling wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:46 pmBut hey, it has hydraulic disc brakes, so it can't be all that bad...
These bike prices have me hoping that the new Propel or Soloist is remotely reasonable in pricing. Can't even think of anything else that would be carbon, somewhat aero, and in my pricepoint with 105 and not be a boat anchor
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This design is definitely a departure from the old Foil, which never was good looking nor very fast in aero tests as I remember. Tastes differ greatly so I understand if some don't agree.
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Is there any benefit to the SL frame other than weight?
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That depends on what kind of stem bar combination it is. This combination looks pretty aero to me. Weight is obviously lower on the onepiece though.citadelguard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:38 pmAERO
I don't think it's worth it though, unless you know your position exactly and you know you will never change reach. Even then, you can't adjust pitch, which can be limiting. Then you have the issue of width. If you want a narrower bar with a longer stem, it's almost never possible. If you can't get narrow bars in the length you need, then the aero advantage is negated.
I think they should offer a two piece bar and stem which is high end as an option as well. The stem can be carbon in combination with a quality fast aero bar.
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To add to that, barstem or separate bar plus stem should be possible to move up and down, i.e. remove some spacers from underneath the bar and place em on top. Some brands route cables and makeing that (almost) impossible: Parlee RZ7, Allied Echo, others prohibit installaton of spacers on top of the frame.Roadbiker10 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:14 pmThat depends on what kind of stem bar combination it is. This combination looks pretty aero to me. Weight is obviously lower on the onepiece though.
I don't think it's worth it though, unless you know your position exactly and you know you will never change reach. Even then, you can't adjust pitch, which can be limiting. Then you have the issue of width. If you want a narrower bar with a longer stem, it's almost never possible. If you can't get narrow bars in the length you need, then the aero advantage is negated.
I think they should offer a two piece bar and stem which is high end as an option as well. The stem can be carbon in combination with a quality fast aero bar.
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On the Addict RC, it's easy to remove spacers and add regular round ones on top. But then you have to ride without the cap. From what I remember Scott say that you should not ride with spacers on top other than just trying out the position and then you have to cut the steerer. I've been riding mine with 2cm spacers on top without the cap for 3 months now. Since I'm not sure about my postion yet and I don't want to pay for the shop to cut it twice.TLN wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:20 pmTo add to that, barstem or separate bar plus stem should be possible to move up and down, i.e. remove some spacers from underneath the bar and place em on top. Some brands route cables and makeing that (almost) impossible: Parlee RZ7, Allied Echo, others prohibit installaton of spacers on top of the frame.Roadbiker10 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:14 pmThat depends on what kind of stem bar combination it is. This combination looks pretty aero to me. Weight is obviously lower on the onepiece though.
I don't think it's worth it though, unless you know your position exactly and you know you will never change reach. Even then, you can't adjust pitch, which can be limiting. Then you have the issue of width. If you want a narrower bar with a longer stem, it's almost never possible. If you can't get narrow bars in the length you need, then the aero advantage is negated.
I think they should offer a two piece bar and stem which is high end as an option as well. The stem can be carbon in combination with a quality fast aero bar.
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Some companies say you cannot use it with spacers on top (Scott, Orca) and some brands that make it almost impossible: Allied Echo, Parlee RZ7.Roadbiker10 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:40 pmOn the Addict RC, it's easy to remove spacers and add regular round ones on top. But then you have to ride without the cap. From what I remember Scott say that you should not ride with spacers on top other than just trying out the position and then you have to cut the steerer. I've been riding mine with 2cm spacers on top without the cap for 3 months now. Since I'm not sure about my postion yet and I don't want to pay for the shop to cut it twice.
Ideally I'd like to have both options: Stem (multiple angles) + Bar (Branded or my own one) and barstem with identical specs to comapnys Bar + Stem, probably in most agressive stem angle. And have ability to adjust (bar)stem up or down, i.e. ride it with spacers
I know BMC got system like that before (Pre 2020): two angles of ICS bar, Teammachine with single headset cover, Roadmachine with two headset covers, both are less aggressive compared to Teammachince, Slim aero bar with matching stem and complete Barstem that was released later, but still could be adapted to older bikes.
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Yeah I agree. There should be more options. It's tough with proprietary parts and they cost a ton too whenever you need to change something.
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Best post I have read in ages.aeroisnteverything wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:04 pmIt's totally bananas.
I think the manufacturers have been very spoilt by the ever increasing demand during Covid period, where ppl (1) found themselves with more time to train due to working remotely more; (2) could not go out and travel so just splurged on stuff, including bikes and bike-related accessories; and (3) often got extra dosh from government stimulus/furlough or other support programs or otherwise got raises at work as the economy was chugging along nicely. This has led to some misplaced ideas about what the industry can sustain in terms of pricing and demand structure going forward. I have already heard that the manufacturers of cycling clothing in particular are having a torrid time this year. Ditto for bike shops generally. Consumer confdence is down, inflation is up in the way that hurts spending power, it's "back to the office" time in a lot of places, etc. etc. If things get even worse economy-wise, as is the expectation now, the sales of these overpriced pieces of plastic will go through the floor. Will see what happens to pricing in that environment.
The idea that everyone in the industry can sell a complete bike for a whole lot more money than an (expensive!) new italian motorcycle and also more than an economy car, is just bonkers. It works if there is some perception of exclusivity or for brands that can command a luxury premium for one reason or another, but it cannot work for everyone.
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They've done a few interesting tweaks like the seatstays are bent toward the trailing edge of the wheel to funnel air back over the deep section rather than just leave it as a turbulent wake. The HT and BB are obviously chunkier than the UCI previously allowed. The seatpost design is what Canyon should have done on the Aeroad. The fork crown sits incredibly high relative to the BB.