New Giant TCR Advanced announced
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What I don't understand is that Giant seem to not follow a coherent policy. IIRC, the new Defy had integrated cables. Now they launch a new TCR and it doesn't have integrated cables? I guess it would have made the bike too heavy, but still - quite a puzzling choice.
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Their marketing guy said they foregone full integration with the TCR so that it's easier to work on. I personally agree with that stance as I do like to work on my bike, yet was not born as a particularly gifted mechanic.robeambro wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:26 pmWhat I don't understand is that Giant seem to not follow a coherent policy. IIRC, the new Defy had integrated cables. Now they launch a new TCR and it doesn't have integrated cables? I guess it would have made the bike too heavy, but still - quite a puzzling choice.
Maybe the aero drag from some exposed cabling ain't as bad as what everyone thought it was or how they want us to believe it is?
If you read the Cyclingtips article linked on previous page you may understand.robeambro wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:26 pmWhat I don't understand is that Giant seem to not follow a coherent policy. IIRC, the new Defy had integrated cables. Now they launch a new TCR and it doesn't have integrated cables? I guess it would have made the bike too heavy, but still - quite a puzzling choice.
Since this is clearly Giant's top climbing, do-it-all bike there is absolutely no need for integrated cables. I agree that it would add to a nicer and more contemporary look in terms of practicality and function it is not the best idea. Integrated cables or not is a marketing driven choice anyway. Disc brakes are way less aero than a few inches of exposed cables.
I understand the motivation, but it's a bit silly to pursue one objective for the Defy (internal cabling is cool, sexy, aero!) and then U-turn with the TCR (exposed cables are easier!). They're both valid arguments, but usually manufacturers decide to pursue one and stick to it (eg Specialized with "aero is everything".. It would be weird to see them launch the new SL7 with exposed cables)integration wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:35 pmTheir marketing guy said they foregone full integration with the TCR so that it's easier to work on. I personally agree with that stance as I do like to work on my bike, yet was not born as a particularly gifted mechanic.robeambro wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:26 pmWhat I don't understand is that Giant seem to not follow a coherent policy. IIRC, the new Defy had integrated cables. Now they launch a new TCR and it doesn't have integrated cables? I guess it would have made the bike too heavy, but still - quite a puzzling choice.
Maybe the aero drag from some exposed cabling ain't as bad as what everyone thought it was or how they want us to believe it is?
That said I also agree, I couldn't be less bothered by a couple cables in sight - at least with modern disc / electronic bikes, it's not that much really.
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kgt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:49 pmSince this is clearly Giant's top climbing, do-it-all bike there is absolutely no need for integrated cables. I agree that it would add to a nicer and more contemporary look in terms of practicality and function it is not the best idea. Integrated cables or not is a marketing driven choice anyway. Disc brakes are way less aero than a few inches of exposed cables.
Disc brakes are way more aero than caliper brakes because they permit a complete redesign of the bike with greater tire clearance between the fork legs and thus less turbulence.
I don't think that is an established fact, if it was all the modern track bikes would have went wide fork years ago and current the only wide fork is the Hope bike and they said it was to keep the turbulent air inline with the riders legs. Modern track bikes are bouncing back and forth beteen wide and narrow forks.Disc brakes are way more aero than caliper brakes because they permit a complete redesign of the bike with greater tire clearance between the fork legs and thus less turbulence.
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uraqt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:40 pmI don't think that is an established fact, if it was all the modern track bikes would have went wide fork years ago and current the only wide fork is the Hope bike and they said it was to keep the turbulent air inline with the riders legs. Modern track bikes are bouncing back and forth beteen wide and narrow forks.Disc brakes are way more aero than caliper brakes because they permit a complete redesign of the bike with greater tire clearance between the fork legs and thus less turbulence.
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Neither is what kgt said. I was just playing his game since he randomly decided to shit on disc brakes in a thread about a bike that still comes in a rim-brake version. Time for him to accept that disc brakes exist and move on.
Brands like Orbea, Specialized, and even Giant are definitely experimenting with bowing out their fork legs, but they still have to deal with the UCI approval process and its draconian ruleset.
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To me, it makes absolutely logical sense and clearly differentiates the TCR from the Defy.robeambro wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:10 pmI understand the motivation, but it's a bit silly to pursue one objective for the Defy (internal cabling is cool, sexy, aero!) and then U-turn with the TCR (exposed cables are easier!). They're both valid arguments, but usually manufacturers decide to pursue one and stick to it (eg Specialized with "aero is everything".. It would be weird to see them launch the new SL7 with exposed cables)
Want a max aero bike or want fully concealed cables == get the Defy
Want a light, stiff all-round bike and dont care about the cables == get the TCR
Yes, i realize that there are people who want a single do-it-all bike, but given that Giant has 2 different top-end models, it makes sense for them make a clear use-case for each. If the TCR becomes the do-it-all bike, then why have the Defy in the line-up?
You may be thinking of the Propel. The Defy is an endurance bike, it's clearly different to the TCR regardless of cabling.
Makes sense. Good to see Giant to not making the same mistake. Their internal routing stem is really ugly and heavy af. Shouldn't care aero too much on TCR.kgt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:49 pmSince this is clearly Giant's top climbing, do-it-all bike there is absolutely no need for integrated cables. I agree that it would add to a nicer and more contemporary look in terms of practicality and function it is not the best idea. Integrated cables or not is a marketing driven choice anyway. Disc brakes are way less aero than a few inches of exposed cables.
However, they keep using the same fork rake across the sizes. It's a big disappointment. They might do it for keeping the cost to a minimum. Maybe they don't care about the effects of frame geometry.
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Very theoretical and not proven bedside marketing claims. Disc wheels have more drags (translation and rotational). So far all bikes tested in both versions have more drag in discs.TobinHatesYou wrote:kgt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:49 pmSince this is clearly Giant's top climbing, do-it-all bike there is absolutely no need for integrated cables. I agree that it would add to a nicer and more contemporary look in terms of practicality and function it is not the best idea. Integrated cables or not is a marketing driven choice anyway. Disc brakes are way less aero than a few inches of exposed cables.
Disc brakes are way more aero than caliper brakes because they permit a complete redesign of the bike with greater tire clearance between the fork legs and thus less turbulence.
Now back to the bike. Both options is lovely and aligned with their new wheel range. The weight is impressive for a disc frame and curious what a rim frame will show on the scale.
Regarding their stiffness claims I don’t ever recall they matched independent testing. Were in the leading group but not ahead of the pack.
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