*Tour Aero Bike Tests*
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Unless the have the exact same protocol as the Tour test you will get different results. Ie full vs half vs no mannekin, rotating wheels, same speed, same yaw sweep and same weighting of yaw sweep the results will be different. Heck, you'll get different results from different wind tunnels. 10 and 16W sounds like a similar ballpark to me without knowing the minutiae of the different testing protocols.
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This is exceptional and almost unbelievable result for Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 which is by no means aero bike.rudye9mr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:40 pmRANK MAKE YEAR WATTS @ 45KPH
01 Cannondale SystemSix Disc 2019 203
02 Specialized Venge ViAS 2016 204
02 Trek Madone 2016 204
04 Cervelo S5 2016 205
04 Felt AR FRD 2016 205
06 Cervelo S5 Disc 2019 206
06 Factor One 2018 206
08 Canyon Aeroad 2016 208
08 Specialized Venge Disc 2019 208
10 Giant Propel Advanced SL 2016 210
10 Specialized Tarmac SL7 S-Works 2020 210
12 BMC Time Machine 2016 211
12 Pinarello Dogma F12 2018 211
12 Scott Foil Premium 2016 211
15 Look 795 2016 212
15 Trek Madone Disc 2019 212
17 Ridley Noah Fast Disc 2019 213
18 Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 218
18 EddyMerckx 525 Disc 2019 218
** LOOK Blade 795 RS Disc 2018 219
20 Specialized Allez Spint 2019 219
20 Scott Addict Premium 2019 219
22 Wilier Zero SLR 2020 220
23 Canyon Ultimate 9.0 2018 224
24 Giant TCR Advanced 2019 227
as stated before, it's the my 2020 SSevo3 scoring 219w (216 with 404FC reference wheelset)
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But table is not up to date / current?ND4SPD wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:14 pmThis is exceptional and almost unbelievable result for Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 which is by no means aero bike.rudye9mr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:40 pmRANK MAKE YEAR WATTS @ 45KPH
01 Cannondale SystemSix Disc 2019 203
02 Specialized Venge ViAS 2016 204
02 Trek Madone 2016 204
04 Cervelo S5 2016 205
04 Felt AR FRD 2016 205
06 Cervelo S5 Disc 2019 206
06 Factor One 2018 206
08 Canyon Aeroad 2016 208
08 Specialized Venge Disc 2019 208
10 Giant Propel Advanced SL 2016 210
10 Specialized Tarmac SL7 S-Works 2020 210
12 BMC Time Machine 2016 211
12 Pinarello Dogma F12 2018 211
12 Scott Foil Premium 2016 211
15 Look 795 2016 212
15 Trek Madone Disc 2019 212
17 Ridley Noah Fast Disc 2019 213
18 Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 218
18 EddyMerckx 525 Disc 2019 218
** LOOK Blade 795 RS Disc 2018 219
20 Specialized Allez Spint 2019 219
20 Scott Addict Premium 2019 219
22 Wilier Zero SLR 2020 220
23 Canyon Ultimate 9.0 2018 224
24 Giant TCR Advanced 2019 227
Doesn't seem to be as the Wilier Filante isn't listedpedalbasher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:02 pmBut table is not up to date / current?ND4SPD wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:14 pmThis is exceptional and almost unbelievable result for Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 which is by no means aero bike.rudye9mr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:40 pmRANK MAKE YEAR WATTS @ 45KPH
01 Cannondale SystemSix Disc 2019 203
02 Specialized Venge ViAS 2016 204
02 Trek Madone 2016 204
04 Cervelo S5 2016 205
04 Felt AR FRD 2016 205
06 Cervelo S5 Disc 2019 206
06 Factor One 2018 206
08 Canyon Aeroad 2016 208
08 Specialized Venge Disc 2019 208
10 Giant Propel Advanced SL 2016 210
10 Specialized Tarmac SL7 S-Works 2020 210
12 BMC Time Machine 2016 211
12 Pinarello Dogma F12 2018 211
12 Scott Foil Premium 2016 211
15 Look 795 2016 212
15 Trek Madone Disc 2019 212
17 Ridley Noah Fast Disc 2019 213
18 Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 218
18 EddyMerckx 525 Disc 2019 218
** LOOK Blade 795 RS Disc 2018 219
20 Specialized Allez Spint 2019 219
20 Scott Addict Premium 2019 219
22 Wilier Zero SLR 2020 220
23 Canyon Ultimate 9.0 2018 224
24 Giant TCR Advanced 2019 227
Me too. Could it be more aero than the Factor One (@206 watts)? Entirely possible. The fork, which is the most significant front facing component, is a step up from most in terms of its advanced design.
wheelsONfire wrote: When we ride disc brakes the whole deal of braking is just like a leaving a fart. It happens and then it's over. Nothing planned and nothing to get nervous for.
I didn't read the whole thread.
That makes more sense.
No, quoted post is from 2020.
That would be my next question
That's actually also very good...
Indeed, I have no doubt that replacing the 42 or 44 bar by a 38 aero, more modern wheels and more aero tires and Di2 you are sub 220w easy. That is at the level of many climbing bikes.
You can even make the difference be greater than that. Just test the bikes at 60 kms/h and it will probabaly be 20w quicker instead of 16. There's too many variables to account to. I just assume those numbers as an indication, not absolute figures.pedalbasher wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:08 am2016 Scott foil premium tested at 216w.
New foil tested at 206w.
Scott says the new one is 16w "quicker" than the old one
On another note, Simplon just "appears to be" a faster bike than Scott's Foil just by looking at the tube shapes, and I don't believe in a shy 7w difference between those two! As I don't believe in the F12 numbers, even with the great fork clearance it has!
Not sure whether the first version of the Scott Foil was ever tested? Anyone got numbers if so?
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