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Minirac
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by Minirac

spdntrxi wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:02 am
SL7 was I think 210
Aeroad was 204
New Scott Foil 206
New Giant Propel 209
BMC TimeMachine 210
2022 Cervelo S5 was 205
2023 Cervelo S5=???
I have not seen a number for Gen7 Madone yet
Madone shoud be under 200

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aeroisnteverything
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by aeroisnteverything

Minirac wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:27 pm
spdntrxi wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:02 am
SL7 was I think 210
Aeroad was 204
New Scott Foil 206
New Giant Propel 209
BMC TimeMachine 210
2022 Cervelo S5 was 205
2023 Cervelo S5=???
I have not seen a number for Gen7 Madone yet
Madone shoud be under 200
That is a bold claim. Is it just wishful thinking or something more? I personally don't think the hole in the seat tube is going to mean all that much (if anything). If it gets to Cervelo/Canyon number, this will be impressive enough IMO.

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by Cannoli

Can someone post a link to the overall numbers everyone is quoting in this thread?
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by spartan

what looks fast and what is tested to be fast (ok based on the protocol used)

notice a dogma f with zipp can match a cervelo s5. pinarello never markets the dogma a pure aero bike but the numbers don't lie. it is very fast.

i doubt any of the new frames released this year will beat the current leader simplon pride 2 at 199w.
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by spdntrxi

spartan wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:23 am
what looks fast and what is tested to be fast (ok based on the protocol used)

notice a dogma f with zipp can match a cervelo s5. pinarello never markets the dogma a pure aero bike but the numbers don't lie. it is very fast.

i doubt any of the new frames released this year will beat the current leader simplon pride 2 at 199w.
They recently tested size M. CFR MDVP edition @ 204w.. Moral of that story.. blue is slow :noidea:
I also think nothing is bettering 200w this year.
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by Minirac

aeroisnteverything wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:03 pm
Minirac wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:27 pm
spdntrxi wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:02 am
SL7 was I think 210
Aeroad was 204
New Scott Foil 206
New Giant Propel 209
BMC TimeMachine 210
2022 Cervelo S5 was 205
2023 Cervelo S5=???
I have not seen a number for Gen7 Madone yet
Madone shoud be under 200
That is a bold claim. Is it just wishful thinking or something more? I personally don't think the hole in the seat tube is going to mean all that much (if anything). If it gets to Cervelo/Canyon number, this will be impressive enough IMO.
Previous generation madone was 205. New one is def faster.. Image

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by TobinHatesYou

Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:31 am
Previous generation madone was 205. New one is def faster..

Wrong. The previous Madone SLR measured 212W.

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by Minirac

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:39 am
Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:31 am
Previous generation madone was 205. New one is def faster..

Wrong. The previous Madone SLR measured 212W.
"New Venge and Madone both had 204 watts of drag but as soon as the road starts kicking up slightly the extra 866g the Venge has will have an impact. In reality there won't be much difference since the UCI weight restriction kicks in. I'm pretty sure the VIAS can shave a lot of grams if needed and get close to the 6.8kg. The Madone seems to be more comfortable which shouldn't be underestimated."?

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Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:50 am
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:39 am
Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:31 am
Previous generation madone was 205. New one is def faster..

Wrong. The previous Madone SLR measured 212W.
"New Venge and Madone both had 204 watts of drag but as soon as the road starts kicking up slightly the extra 866g the Venge has will have an impact. In reality there won't be much difference since the UCI weight restriction kicks in. I'm pretty sure the VIAS can shave a lot of grams if needed and get close to the 6.8kg. The Madone seems to be more comfortable which shouldn't be underestimated."?

That was the Venge Vias and 2016 Madone with rim brakes. With H1 geometry, it was significantly faster than the 2019 Madone SLR w/H1.5 geometry.

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by Minirac

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:54 am
Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:50 am
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:39 am
Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:31 am
Previous generation madone was 205. New one is def faster..

Wrong. The previous Madone SLR measured 212W.
"New Venge and Madone both had 204 watts of drag but as soon as the road starts kicking up slightly the extra 866g the Venge has will have an impact. In reality there won't be much difference since the UCI weight restriction kicks in. I'm pretty sure the VIAS can shave a lot of grams if needed and get close to the 6.8kg. The Madone seems to be more comfortable which shouldn't be underestimated."?

That was the Venge Vias and 2016 Madone with rim brakes. With H1 geometry, it was significantly faster than the 2019 Madone SLR w/H1.5 geometry.
They matched disc brake drag in line with rim- or even surpass it. That is what specialized, pinarello and all others did.. Give it or take 1W, that is why i wrote 205..
Madone is currently fastest bike on the market.

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by Minirac

madone 212.jpg
Could be 212.
212-9 = 203W. Still hard to beat.
p.s. They updated BB area to T47 in 2021 to..

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by TriJoeri

Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:04 am
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:54 am
Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:50 am
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:39 am



Wrong. The previous Madone SLR measured 212W.
"New Venge and Madone both had 204 watts of drag but as soon as the road starts kicking up slightly the extra 866g the Venge has will have an impact. In reality there won't be much difference since the UCI weight restriction kicks in. I'm pretty sure the VIAS can shave a lot of grams if needed and get close to the 6.8kg. The Madone seems to be more comfortable which shouldn't be underestimated."?

That was the Venge Vias and 2016 Madone with rim brakes. With H1 geometry, it was significantly faster than the 2019 Madone SLR w/H1.5 geometry.
They matched disc brake drag in line with rim- or even surpass it. That is what specialized, pinarello and all others did.. Give it or take 1W, that is why i wrote 205..
Madone is currently fastest bike on the market.
Al published data suggests otherwise and it's probably not even in the top 5..

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by TobinHatesYou

Minirac wrote:
Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:10 am
madone 212.jpg

Could be 212.
212-9 = 203W. Still hard to beat.
p.s. They updated BB area to T47 in 2021 to..

Can you just admit to being wrong? It’s not “could be 212,” that’s what Tour measured. T47 would not improve things…it would probably produce MORE drag because of the slightly exposed BB tool interfaces. It’s also possible the exposed cross-section around the shell itself is greater.

You also can’t compare the values from two different wind tunnels and protocols.

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rudye9mr
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by rudye9mr

Don't think Trek made much claims on aero gains but opted to a design that removed the ISOspeed fitments and reduce weight trying to provide the same/improved level of comfort.

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