An interesting anecdote i have - a well off friend who has many modern bikes - sl7, ss evo 4, venge, etc compared his time from these bike to his custom ti Bastion which by no means is aero nor lighter than his carbon superbikes. Yet he beats all his koms on the Bastion both on 2-3 hours climb and also on a flat. All bikes have similar geometry and positioning. This is no new bike effect given he rides the bastion for over a year in between his other carbon bikes yet the same result stands repeatedly. Same wheels same tires.
Bastion has a custom geo altho i dont see it differs that much from his carbon bikes.
He himself said he can exert himself much better on the Bastion. May be that’s the reason. Probably due to custom geo.
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Hate to whip out this cliche... But proven, time and time again.ichobi wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:56 amAn interesting anecdote i have - a well off friend who has many modern bikes - sl7, ss evo 4, venge, etc compared his time from these bike to his custom ti Bastion which by no means is aero nor lighter than his carbon superbikes. Yet he beats all his koms on the Bastion both on 2-3 hours climb and also on a flat. All bikes have similar geometry and positioning. This is no new bike effect given he rides the bastion for over a year in between his other carbon bikes yet the same result stands repeatedly. Same wheels same tires.
Bastion has a custom geo altho i dont see it differs that much from his carbon bikes.
He himself said he can exert himself much better on the Bastion. May be that’s the reason. Probably due to custom geo.
It's not the Bike, it's the Rider
But marketing says otherwise. Many are duped into a modern bike, shelling out big $$$$ beliving it is better, faster, so it must be true. Also, thank god for rolling in planned obsolence. The death of the industry will take much longer, than sooner.
....yeah agree with your closing sentiments but in this case the rider is the constant and variables are the frames, both "modern" and not, and there is a definite reproducible result that doesn't play to your cliche.....and my quick drive-by takeaway is this result seems to indicate the old school frame smokes the "modern" stuff....or maybe, just maybe, this particular rider has an affinity for that one frame that borders on magic...but I'm kinda sorta possibly leaning towards the idea that the modern designs may have lost the plot on some essential design elements in their rush to build shiny new product whose only real purpose is that it has a good marketing hook....centhar wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:31 pmHate to whip out this cliche... But proven, time and time again.ichobi wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:56 amAn interesting anecdote i have - a well off friend who has many modern bikes - sl7, ss evo 4, venge, etc compared his time from these bike to his custom ti Bastion which by no means is aero nor lighter than his carbon superbikes. Yet he beats all his koms on the Bastion both on 2-3 hours climb and also on a flat. All bikes have similar geometry and positioning. This is no new bike effect given he rides the bastion for over a year in between his other carbon bikes yet the same result stands repeatedly. Same wheels same tires.
Bastion has a custom geo altho i dont see it differs that much from his carbon bikes.
He himself said he can exert himself much better on the Bastion. May be that’s the reason. Probably due to custom geo.
It's not the Bike, it's the Rider
But marketing says otherwise. Many are duped into a modern bike, shelling out big $$$$ beliving it is better, faster, so it must be true. Also, thank god for rolling in planned obsolence. The death of the industry will take much longer, than sooner.
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The whole question is moot unless he rides with power. Custom geo is probably working for him and he can put more power out/be in a more aero position