That's not what I said, though, and I can see through your thinly veiled gaslighting. I am not anti-disc brakes per-se, and I am not some retro-grouch, pro-rim zealot for the sake of it. I just cannot sit back and let anti-rim brake FUD and pro-disc propaganda go unchallenged when the evidence of my own experience is to the contrary.TobinHatesYou wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:33 pmSee how easy that was? All you needed to say from the start was “I prefer rim brakes.” Zero judgement.
I don't really get that worked up about feel or modulation: my main requirement for brakes is to slow me down and stop me in a predictable and safe manner without being too annoying. Sadly, disc brakes fail at the being annoying bit when it's wet, whereas I find rim brakes are still surprisingly good despite what the naysayers would have you believe.
Of course I know about all of the drawbacks of rim-brakes and the advantages of disc brakes, but for me, the shortcomings of current disc brakes are worse than those of rim brakes for the type of riding I do 99% of the time (no big mountains or super steep stuff and only tarmac, but quite a lot of rain).
If I can solve the noise problem (both squealing in wet and grating/scraping due to narrow pad/rotor clearance) then I would be a lot happier with my discs. Who would put up with their car brakes making such noise in the rain? No one.
This is the elephant in the room as far as I am concerned, with only Mr. Gib here being truly open and honest about discs brakes always being noisy to some extent in the wet. If I am wrong about this, then please do tell me how I can have quieter disc brakes. (You may have noticed that none of the disc fans have replied to my previous request about this apart from said Mr.Gib, so I'll assume that is just not possible).
I estimate I am only using brakes for about 1 or 2% of my cycling time, so braking does not contribute massively to the joy of cycling for me, but noisy disc brakes sure do suck out a lot of the fun!
To illustrate my point here is an updated video showing discs and rim brakes at the same points on a similarly wet route. The rim brakes are 105 using Wiggle Lifeline blue pads on self built carbon wheels (Deerobust rims from AliE) i.e. cheap and basic. I usually ride alu wheels in the wet but I was surprised at how good the carbon rims were at slowing down and stopping me, quietly and without fuss. Of course, rim brakes wear out rims, but I have yet to wear out a set of carbon rims in 8 years, and I can replace an alu rim for less than it costs to buy a set of premium disc brake pads.