Weight Weenies

wooger wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:57 am

Framesets seem to be the worst value component on a high end brand name bike - functional value vs. added cost in going from a $1000 alloy frame to the highest end $6/8/10k carbon frame is really minimal. Specialised selling the Allez Sprint for ~$3k is completely laughable. If Winspace et al need competent distribution with warranties in US/Europe + some bigger frame sizes and this will rapidly go away.

You can already see this happening with wheels.

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Does anyone have a good idea of the various markups?
How much of a clip is there on the way through the various hands the bike/parts go to get to us.
How much does a bikeshop/retailer make on a sale, acknowledging there is more work to do for them selling a complete bike than individual parts?
And working backwards, the importer, and shipping/transport costs.
Manufacturing of the various components, insurance, licensing, marketing etc.

Canyon sell direct to market, whereas Specialized typically didn't - though are now via their website here in Aus. So who makes more per unit, IDK.
And the top end of the market is where presumably a lot less bikes get sold but the input costs are much higher.

Its been a similar discussion about Rolex's the last few years, I have a 20 year old Seadweller, cost me 25% of what I would pay now retail, let alone on the grey market. Technically the new ones are 'better', but mine still tells the time just as well, is just as accurate, and waay cooler!

It's purely too complicated to work out at this moment with the ever shifting costs. Suppliers and retailers have been blessed in the years pre-Covid with fairly static pricing for shipping and importation costs (especially in the UK because of Brexit) and you are working on a brand to brand basis which can make it very hard to compare.

One thing that can be sure is that as the prices for end consumer have been going up is that shops are making much more of a margin (if any) and distributors are struggling to compete with brands which own all their own channels (think Specialized, Giant and the larger brands). Speaking to lots of brands in the UK the high-end market hasn't seen too much of a fall as these increases don't impact the premium consumer as much but sales of bikes in the £800-2000 market have absolutely plummeted due to so many people buying bikes during COVID so they are all overstocked

Specialized drops prices by 20% in all segments but not for every modell

https://www.mtb-news.de/news/specialize ... ke-preise/

Currently tarmac is still the same, so probably not included :/

Aethos as well as far as I can see.

eins4eins wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:16 am

Specialized drops prices by 20% in all segments but not for every modell

https://www.mtb-news.de/news/specialize ... ke-preise/

Currently tarmac is still the same, so probably not included :/

No reductions yet at the big German e-tailers, beyond existing smaller discounts.

I talked to a specialized dealer and if a bike isn't discounted on the specialized website now, it also won't happen in the future. So no discount for SL7 or Aethos.

I wonder why supplies have been so tight on the SL7. I've wanted a non S-works tarmac frame in oil tint but have yet to see one in stock in 2 years. I can find the white one in stock 2 hours from me but I'm not willing to settle. Even their $14,000 Tarmacs are all out of stock. You'd think they'd make sure those were in stock if someone was willing to plunk down that much money for a bike.

Still no supply chain for Tarmacs???

AJS914 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 03, 2023 12:06 am

I wonder why supplies have been so tight on the SL7. I've wanted a non S-works tarmac frame in oil tint but have yet to see one in stock in 2 years. I can find the white one in stock 2 hours from me but I'm not willing to settle. Even their $14,000 Tarmacs are all out of stock. You'd think they'd make sure those were in stock if someone was willing to plunk down that much money for a bike.

Still no supply chain for Tarmacs???

Yea really. I contacted Specialized about the Aethos. MAYBE possible to get a ready-to-paint frameset in a month or two. No completes, no painted frames, best advice was to contact local dealers about getting on back order.

I've seen various Aethos in the ugly colors come up but I'm not interested. FWIW, from their web site you can click "search in stores" and see if you find what you want within a reasonable distance. I did find one frame in the rigth size/color but it's $900 miles away.

Ironically, they have the SL7 expert bike in stock online in my size and color. But when I add it up, I could build that bike for $6500 and they are asking $8300. I'm not sure how that is supposed to compute.

AJS914 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:18 pm

I could build that bike for $6500 and they are asking $8300. I'm not sure how that is supposed to compute.

For myself neither example adds up & both seem crazy high for that bike. ..but that's just me
But then again price as always is what the market will bear & obviously there is a market

The new Gp5000 All Season is almost £100 per tyre here. That's just ridiculous.

I like(d) Conti tyres.
Not bothering to look at them anymore now that I've gone tubeless.
Ridiculous pricing.

guyc wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:00 am

The new Gp5000 All Season is almost £100 per tyre here. That's just ridiculous.

Retailer dependent. Some places in DE are selling them for €60 a pop.

guyc wrote:The new Gp5000 All Season is almost £100 per tyre here. That's just ridiculous.

So don’t buy them. No one is forcing you to buy them.


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