Panaracer's Agilest Fast
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Source: https://www.bikeradar.com/news/panarace ... -fast-tyre
"electron beam bonding’ manufacturing process... It's an electron beam that merges all of the layers [in the tyre] together and eliminates any error – or the possibility of a gap between layers."
This stood out, curious about what this entails in terms of performance on the Bicycle Rolling Resistance tire test.
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There is a product page on the Japanese site: https://panaracer.com/products/road/agi ... lest_fast/
There is also a special page explaining the technology. Some of the text is in the infographics so it does not translate. https://panaracer.com/sp-content/real_answer/
They are tube type, and the 700x25 comes in at 230g, so 40g more than the regular Agilest and 75g more than the Agilest Light of the same size.
There is also a special page explaining the technology. Some of the text is in the infographics so it does not translate. https://panaracer.com/sp-content/real_answer/
They are tube type, and the 700x25 comes in at 230g, so 40g more than the regular Agilest and 75g more than the Agilest Light of the same size.
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Given that the photos of the tyres so far are on Zipp 303s wheels then that means there's a tubeless version also coming out which is hookless compatible.Magnetize6932 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:15 pmThere is a product page on the Japanese site: https://panaracer.com/products/road/agi ... lest_fast/
There is also a special page explaining the technology. Some of the text is in the infographics so it does not translate. https://panaracer.com/sp-content/real_answer/
They are tube type, and the 700x25 comes in at 230g, so 40g more than the regular Agilest and 75g more than the Agilest Light of the same size.
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CampagYOLO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:08 amGiven that the photos of the tyres so far are on Zipp 303s wheels then that means there's a tubeless version also coming out which is hookless compatible.Magnetize6932 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:15 pmThere is a product page on the Japanese site: https://panaracer.com/products/road/agi ... lest_fast/
There is also a special page explaining the technology. Some of the text is in the infographics so it does not translate. https://panaracer.com/sp-content/real_answer/
They are tube type, and the 700x25 comes in at 230g, so 40g more than the regular Agilest and 75g more than the Agilest Light of the same size.
While there probably will be a TLR version, the photos are BikeRadar's own. Mounting the tires to 303S was an error on their part.
I watched David Arthur’s video and in there, if I understood correctly it shows a pic of this tyre on the Zipp which he took while it was at a Bike Show in LondonTobinHatesYou wrote:CampagYOLO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:08 amGiven that the photos of the tyres so far are on Zipp 303s wheels then that means there's a tubeless version also coming out which is hookless compatible.Magnetize6932 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:15 pmThere is a product page on the Japanese site: https://panaracer.com/products/road/agi ... lest_fast/
There is also a special page explaining the technology. Some of the text is in the infographics so it does not translate. https://panaracer.com/sp-content/real_answer/
They are tube type, and the 700x25 comes in at 230g, so 40g more than the regular Agilest and 75g more than the Agilest Light of the same size.
While there probably will be a TLR version, the photos are BikeRadar's own. Mounting the tires to 303S was an error on their part.
IRC, the fellow Japanese mfg, produce hookless compatible clinchers (non TL/TLR). Maybe Agilest Fast catches up on this front.
https://ircbike.jp/product-list/road/aspite-pro-slight/
https://ircbike.jp/product-list/road/aspite-pro-slight/
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well.... how does it work?jlok wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:45 amIRC, the fellow Japanese mfg, produce hookless compatible clinchers (non TL/TLR). Maybe Agilest Fast catches up on this front.
https://ircbike.jp/product-list/road/aspite-pro-slight/
Zipp 303 Hookles max pressure is 73 psi, and those aspite tires calls for 80-100 psi in 700x28? That renders pretty much unusable combo?
I get that for most people it will be around 50-60 psi, but still? A bit too risky to ride combo when there's no overlap in usable pressures at all?
At this point I'm not sure who's safer: lightweight riders (45-50 psi?) or heavyweight riders (60+?)
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I don't know, ask IRC. If I have to create a explanation, it must be that the rating is for hooked rims; for hookless rim, please maintain the pressure under 73psi.TLN wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:28 amwell.... how does it work?jlok wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:45 amIRC, the fellow Japanese mfg, produce hookless compatible clinchers (non TL/TLR). Maybe Agilest Fast catches up on this front.
https://ircbike.jp/product-list/road/aspite-pro-slight/
Zipp 303 Hookles max pressure is 73 psi, and those aspite tires calls for 80-100 psi in 700x28? That renders pretty much unusable combo?
I get that for most people it will be around 50-60 psi, but still? A bit too risky to ride combo when there's no overlap in usable pressures at all?
At this point I'm not sure who's safer: lightweight riders (45-50 psi?) or heavyweight riders (60+?)
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Here's intersting page:jlok wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:31 amI don't know, ask IRC. If I have to create a explanation, it must be that the rating is for hooked rims; for hookless rim, please maintain the pressure under 73psi.TLN wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:28 amwell.... how does it work?jlok wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:45 amIRC, the fellow Japanese mfg, produce hookless compatible clinchers (non TL/TLR). Maybe Agilest Fast catches up on this front.
https://ircbike.jp/product-list/road/aspite-pro-slight/
Zipp 303 Hookles max pressure is 73 psi, and those aspite tires calls for 80-100 psi in 700x28? That renders pretty much unusable combo?
I get that for most people it will be around 50-60 psi, but still? A bit too risky to ride combo when there's no overlap in usable pressures at all?
At this point I'm not sure who's safer: lightweight riders (45-50 psi?) or heavyweight riders (60+?)
https://ircbike.com/collections/formula ... -s-light-1
https://ircbike.com/collections/formula ... ss-s-light
First one says "Rim fit: Hooked" and calls for 65-90 in 700x30. Also, 385g (S-Light, really?)
Second one says "Rim fit Hookless" and calls for .... 65-90 in 700x30 but now it's 275gm.
$80 a piece... I'd rather try something else
His: Orbea Orca OMX
Hers: Cannondale Synapse HM Disc
Hers: Cannondale Synapse HM Disc
I would have thought using a robot controlled laser would be potentially far more beneficial for TL than tube. Former it can minimize chance of air leakage or blowout, and uneven tire deformation matters much more as the tire itself is pressurized.
Not sure why you quote a TLR tire while I am talking about... a hookless compatible clincher, in response to mounting the Agilest Fast on a hookless rim.TLN wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:43 amHere's intersting page:jlok wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:31 amI don't know, ask IRC. If I have to create a explanation, it must be that the rating is for hooked rims; for hookless rim, please maintain the pressure under 73psi.TLN wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:28 amwell.... how does it work?jlok wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:45 amIRC, the fellow Japanese mfg, produce hookless compatible clinchers (non TL/TLR). Maybe Agilest Fast catches up on this front.
https://ircbike.jp/product-list/road/aspite-pro-slight/
Zipp 303 Hookles max pressure is 73 psi, and those aspite tires calls for 80-100 psi in 700x28? That renders pretty much unusable combo?
I get that for most people it will be around 50-60 psi, but still? A bit too risky to ride combo when there's no overlap in usable pressures at all?
At this point I'm not sure who's safer: lightweight riders (45-50 psi?) or heavyweight riders (60+?)
https://ircbike.com/collections/formula ... -s-light-1
https://ircbike.com/collections/formula ... ss-s-light
First one says "Rim fit: Hooked" and calls for 65-90 in 700x30. Also, 385g (S-Light, really?)
Second one says "Rim fit Hookless" and calls for .... 65-90 in 700x30 but now it's 275gm.
$80 a piece... I'd rather try something else
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The clincher version of this tire in the 700x28c size is on the BRR vote list if you have a Pro membership.