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Nickldn
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by Nickldn

RDY wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:07 pm
GP5000 AS TR review is in at BRR.

Bit disappointing from my potential use case. Puncture resistance is significantly poorer than Pirelli & Challenge race tires, or even Schwalbe. RR a little worse than expected.
Laws of physics mean that it is unlikely that a manufacturer can make a new tyre with significantly better RR and puncture resistance than competitors. All we can have are trade-offs and marginal gains.

Well done for BRR for not pedling marketing bs and providing us with objective testing. Useful as usual.
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by RDY

Nickldn wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:39 pm
RDY wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:07 pm
GP5000 AS TR review is in at BRR.

Bit disappointing from my potential use case. Puncture resistance is significantly poorer than Pirelli & Challenge race tires, or even Schwalbe. RR a little worse than expected.
Laws of physics mean that it is unlikely that a manufacturer can make a new tyre with significantly better RR and puncture resistance than competitors. All we can have are trade-offs and marginal gains.

Well done for BRR for not pedling marketing bs and providing us with objective testing. Useful as usual.
Given how heavy they are, I think higher puncture resistance could have been expected. Old 4 seasons tires had significantly more puncture resistance as well as wet grip. These don't. They're not a high resistance race tire, they're a dedicated wet race tire, which is fine - just not what I was hoping for.

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by Nickldn

RDY wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:56 pm
They're not a high resistance race tire, they're a dedicated wet race tire, which is fine - just not what I was hoping for.
I hear ya. It seems like low RR has taken over the premium cycle tyre conversion and Conti has made a new 'glamorous' marketing led low RR tyre product for winter it can charge more for.

All at the expense of puncture resistance of course, compared to the previous gen Grand Prix 4.
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by kervelo

I find it a bit strange that they chose the narrow 25 mm for the test. I understand that there are riders using 25 mm tyres, but it is quite common to ride a wider tyre during the rainy season.
Nickldn wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:04 pm
Conti ...can charge more for.
You can already get the AS TR quite cheap, starting from 61€ each (at bike-mailorder).

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by Nickldn

kervelo wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:50 pm
You can already get the AS TR quite cheap, starting from 61€ each (at bike-mailorder).
The new GRAND PRIX 5000 AS TR costs roughly 50% more than the GRAND PRIX 4 SEASON (cheapest price £44 for 25mm) in the UK.

I would say marketing has done its job well for the new product. :D
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by Attermann

pretty disappointed by the test, i thought it could compete with Pirelli Cinturato in puntures resistance, but that's not even close at all.

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by ultimobici

Nickldn wrote:
kervelo wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:50 pm
You can already get the AS TR quite cheap, starting from 61€ each (at bike-mailorder).
The new GRAND PRIX 5000 AS TR costs roughly 50% more than the GRAND PRIX 4 SEASON (cheapest price £44 for 25mm) in the UK.

I would say marketing has done its job well for the new product. :D
Comparing a tyre that has been in production for an age to a brand new tubeless tyre is a bit pointless, isn’t it?

RRP of 4 Season is £65. 5000 AS TR is £85.


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by warthog101

Nickldn wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:54 pm
kervelo wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:50 pm
You can already get the AS TR quite cheap, starting from 61€ each (at bike-mailorder).
The new GRAND PRIX 5000 AS TR costs roughly 50% more than the GRAND PRIX 4 SEASON (cheapest price £44 for 25mm) in the UK.

I would say marketing has done its job well for the new product. :D
I don't even bother looking at Conti tyres anymore. Too expensive, for tubeless anyway.

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by kervelo

Nickldn wrote:
Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:54 pm
I would say marketing has done its job well for the new product. :D
I wouldn't know, I have not seen any marketing related to the new tyre. But the price of the new, just released AS TR is pretty much the same as the price of the older S TR.

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by TobinHatesYou

GP5K S TRs are constantly on sale for US$50 and I expect the AS TR to be as well. The new Pirelli P Zero Race TLR was already on sale for €50 too.

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by jayjay

If the puncture resistance of the GP5000 AS TR is not good what should be my next winter tire if I normaly ride the regular GP5000?
Just keep the 4 seasons?
(I use tubes)

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by NordicSal

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2023 6:09 am
GP5K S TRs are constantly on sale for US$50 and I expect the AS TR to be as well. The new Pirelli P Zero Race TLR was already on sale for €50 too.
S TR sells out pretty quickly in 28c in Europe I'd say

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by robbosmans

jayjay wrote:If the puncture resistance of the GP5000 AS TR is not good what should be my next winter tire if I normaly ride the regular GP5000?
Just keep the 4 seasons?
(I use tubes)
GP5000 is my winter tire

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by warthog101

We have the Australia tax here.
Small market, less competition.
Postage from some other markets tends to be expensive.
Just had a quick look, GP5k S TR $100- Australian.
Not too far off the price of my car tyres.

I must be a tight arse. I don't see that as good value for something that lasts 4k km on the rear.

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by Maddie

You are comparing a road bike race tire with a budget car tire. You will find perfectly usable road bike tires for 10 USD or less that will last a long time. You will also find car rice tires that won't last 1000 km but cost more than 1000 USD.

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