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Hexsense
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by Hexsense on Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:43 am
alanyu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:03 pm
As I posted, I will put the order purely for aesthetics.
Me too, but I think I might only get one rim to replace front rim of my existing (carbon spokes) WR50 set.
My risk will be pretty low as it's front rim switch only. If I don't like it, I can just re-lace WR50 rim back. If I end up liking it. I'd have to stash WR50 rim as a spare rather than selling it out because the demand for used 21 holes rim would be pretty low.
So I wouldn't save that much compare to selling WR50 carbon spokes as a complete set and get Turbo 50 (or 65) as a complete wheelset. But I'd lost significantly less money if I happen to not like the Turbo and reverting back to WR50.
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sheeshKbob
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by sheeshKbob on Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:07 am
Has Anyone tried their carbon spokes + specific Speed-Hub V2.0 ? I know they had lots of problem with extralite + carbon spokes, but tempted to try the speed-hub wheelset now that they currently have a sale (10-15% promo). Unfortunately, shipping cost is darn expensive, kind of just offset the discount!
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oLLeg
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by oLLeg on Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:07 am
MarcelW wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:00 am
For the AR 25 (24 IW, 29,2 EW) the recommended max pressure is 70psi. What tire width would you recommend for me? 28, 30 or 32?
I was planning on running GP5000 28mm with latex inner tubes for a road bike. I'm 64kg. But I'm worried that is too narrow for the wide rim?
https://www.lightbicycle.com/AR25-disc- ... etric.html
Which size you concluded? I'm thinking to try 30 or 32 when get my AR25. I weight is a bit more-74kg
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MarcelW
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by MarcelW on Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:14 pm
oLLeg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:07 am
MarcelW wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:00 am
For the AR 25 (24 IW, 29,2 EW) the recommended max pressure is 70psi. What tire width would you recommend for me? 28, 30 or 32?
I was planning on running GP5000 28mm with latex inner tubes for a road bike. I'm 64kg. But I'm worried that is too narrow for the wide rim?
https://www.lightbicycle.com/AR25-disc- ... etric.html
Which size you concluded? I'm thinking to try 30 or 32 when get my AR25. I weight is a bit more-74kg
Hi oLLeg, I went for the tan wall (cream) 28mm clincher GP5000s as I love the tan sidewalls and my 25mm clinchers.
However, I haven't finished building the bike. So I can not share riding experiences.
Depending on your riding style and terrain, I think a 30 is sufficient for you.
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Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308 on Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:33 am
Has anyone done any ultra lightweight builds of the AR56 disk?
My current set come in at 1539g (not flyweiggt) with Cx-Ray's and Novatec D411SB/D412SB hubs.
But has anyone looked into an ultra light build using fly-weight or their ultra-light rim options and using DT180s or the new Lightbicycle NONPLus hubs and CX-Super spokes? By my math a build like that should come in at around ~1300g which is something I am very interested in investigating. As a 62kg rider I do not think I will have any major durability concerns for such a light build.
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mr.wulf
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by mr.wulf on Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:59 am
Alastair2308 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:33 am
Has anyone done any ultra lightweight builds of the AR56 disk?
My current set come in at 1539g with Cx-Ray's and Novatec D411SB/D412SB hubs.
But has anyone looked into an ultra light build using fly-weight or their ultra-light rim options and using DT180s or the new Lightbicycle NONPLus hubs and CX-Super spokes? By my math a build like that should come in at around ~1300g which is something I am very interested in investigating. As a 62kg rider I do not think I will have any major durability concerns for such a light build.
I got Flyweight AR56 with DT Swiss 240 and Pillar Aero spokes...weight is 1.432g - no problems at all with my weight of 80kg.
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pipii
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by pipii on Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:26 am
Alastair2308 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:33 am
Has anyone done any ultra lightweight builds of the AR56 disk?
My current set come in at 1539g with Cx-Ray's and Novatec D411SB/D412SB hubs.
But has anyone looked into an ultra light build using fly-weight or their ultra-light rim options and using DT180s or the new Lightbicycle NONPLus hubs and CX-Super spokes? By my math a build like that should come in at around ~1300g which is something I am very interested in investigating. As a 62kg rider I do not think I will have any major durability concerns for such a light build.
Don't know when the lb-nonplus hub will be available, but given that nonplus road hub weighs around 205g, it should be definitely sub 1300g with cx-super. Mine AR55 flyweight rims weigh 844g, built up with ex spd3 and cx ray, 1279g in total.
sworks sl8 rtp 56 5.77kg
specialized crux udh 56 7.48kg
retired:
factor ostro vam 56 6.15kg
specialized allez sprint 2023 7.13kg
specialized sl7 56 6.75kg
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Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308 on Thu Aug 08, 2024 2:59 pm
pipii wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:26 am
Alastair2308 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:33 am
Has anyone done any ultra lightweight builds of the AR56 disk?
My current set come in at 1539g with Cx-Ray's and Novatec D411SB/D412SB hubs.
But has anyone looked into an ultra light build using fly-weight or their ultra-light rim options and using DT180s or the new Lightbicycle NONPLus hubs and CX-Super spokes? By my math a build like that should come in at around ~1300g which is something I am very interested in investigating. As a 62kg rider I do not think I will have any major durability concerns for such a light build.
Don't know when the lb-nonplus hub will be available, but given that nonplus road hub weighs around 205g, it should be definitely sub 1300g with cx-super. Mine AR55 flyweight rims weigh 844g, built up with ex spd3 and cx ray, 1279g in total.
Damn that sounds amazing. I really want to build a super lightweight version of my AR56s and still get the Aero benefits. That would bring my chuncky thick boy Aero bike down to 7.7 with just the wheels alone. And sub 7.5 with just a few other choice upgrades like a lightweight cassette and different saddle. I could eye 7.3 with a groupset. Hyper Aero Felt AR advanced disk on a diet at 7.3KG is something I can get behind
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Usedtobefaster
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by Usedtobefaster on Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:13 pm
Hi, what's the clearance like with the AR56s on your Felt AR Advanced?
I'm interested as currently hesitating on pulling the trigger on a set of either the WR65s or Turbo 65s for my Felt AR Advanced build.
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Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308 on Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:57 pm
Usedtobefaster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:13 pm
Hi, what's the clearance like with the AR56s on your Felt AR Advanced?
I'm interested as currently hesitating on pulling the trigger on a set of either the WR65s or Turbo 65s for my Felt AR Advanced build.
Would you like some pictures? I can grab some for you? Just ask what location you would like me to grab and Ill send em over. I dunno if I would do the Turbos though. Ive never been convinced on the wavy rim fad and from everything I have seen they are usually generally worse than regular rims in aero with regards to similar width and have a tendancy to stall unpredictably.
Its a shame I REALLY think LB should think about brining more 30 outer wide rims to the market. I would jump on a set of 60+ deep 30 wide wheels.
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Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308 on Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:00 pm
Usedtobefaster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:13 pm
Hi, what's the clearance like with the AR56s on your Felt AR Advanced?
I'm interested as currently hesitating on pulling the trigger on a set of either the WR65s or Turbo 65s for my Felt AR Advanced build.
Just FYI I ride the AR advanced Disk not the rim break AR / AR advanced
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Usedtobefaster
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by Usedtobefaster on Tue Aug 13, 2024 8:53 am
Alastair2308 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:57 pm
Usedtobefaster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:13 pm
Hi, what's the clearance like with the AR56s on your Felt AR Advanced?
I'm interested as currently hesitating on pulling the trigger on a set of either the WR65s or Turbo 65s for my Felt AR Advanced build.
Would you like some pictures? I can grab some for you? Just ask what location you would like me to grab and Ill send em over. I dunno if I would do the Turbos though. Ive never been convinced on the wavy rim fad and from everything I have seen they are usually generally worse than regular rims in aero with regards to similar width and have a tendancy to stall unpredictably.
Its a shame I REALLY think LB should think about brining more 30 outer wide rims to the market. I would jump on a set of 60+ deep 30 wide wheels.
Pictures of clearance between wheel and chainstays would be really useful although I'd also be interested in one showing the whole bike.
I'm also somewhat unsure on the benefits of "wavy" rims but have not found much solid data on it either way. You mention unpredictable stalling, if you have a link to an article or review where this is covered I'd be interested to see it.
Thanks
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PaulJ
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by PaulJ on Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:18 pm
Alastair2308 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:33 am
Has anyone done any ultra lightweight builds of the AR56 disk?
My current set come in at 1539g (not flyweiggt) with Cx-Ray's and Novatec D411SB/D412SB hubs.
But has anyone looked into an ultra light build using fly-weight or their ultra-light rim options and using DT180s or the new Lightbicycle NONPLus hubs and CX-Super spokes? By my math a build like that should come in at around ~1300g which is something I am very interested in investigating. As a 62kg rider I do not think I will have any major durability concerns for such a light build.
I don't get any options on the site for a fly weight AR56, is that definitely something which is available? AR55 is available in fly weight, they're slightly thinner (21mm internal, 28mm external at the tyre interface increasing to 30mm max). More of a blunt U shape profile vs the more V shape of the AR56. I'm currently looking at both, and leaning more towards the AR55 for the weight benefit.
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Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308 on Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:09 pm
PaulJ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:18 pm
Alastair2308 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:33 am
Has anyone done any ultra lightweight builds of the AR56 disk?
My current set come in at 1539g (not flyweiggt) with Cx-Ray's and Novatec D411SB/D412SB hubs.
But has anyone looked into an ultra light build using fly-weight or their ultra-light rim options and using DT180s or the new Lightbicycle NONPLus hubs and CX-Super spokes? By my math a build like that should come in at around ~1300g which is something I am very interested in investigating. As a 62kg rider I do not think I will have any major durability concerns for such a light build.
I don't get any options on the site for a fly weight AR56, is that definitely something which is available? AR55 is available in fly weight, they're slightly thinner (21mm internal, 28mm external at the tyre interface increasing to 30mm max). More of a blunt U shape profile vs the more V shape of the AR56. I'm currently looking at both, and leaning more towards the AR55 for the weight benefit.
LightBicycle is VERY accommodating to custom builds.If you look at the standard, flyweight vs heavy duty blog post on the website they list a weight for the flyweight AR56. They dont list the Ultra-light though. Although they dont strictly offer it in their wheel builder configurator I am sure if you spoke to Yoko or any of the other customer service people with regards to a custom build I am sure they can accomodate you. If you are a light rider like me 60ish KG I am sure an ultra lightweight or flyweight should be able to handle it.
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Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308 on Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:06 pm
Usedtobefaster wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2024 8:53 am
Alastair2308 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:57 pm
Usedtobefaster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2024 12:13 pm
Hi, what's the clearance like with the AR56s on your Felt AR Advanced?
I'm interested as currently hesitating on pulling the trigger on a set of either the WR65s or Turbo 65s for my Felt AR Advanced build.
Would you like some pictures? I can grab some for you? Just ask what location you would like me to grab and Ill send em over. I dunno if I would do the Turbos though. Ive never been convinced on the wavy rim fad and from everything I have seen they are usually generally worse than regular rims in aero with regards to similar width and have a tendancy to stall unpredictably.
Its a shame I REALLY think LB should think about brining more 30 outer wide rims to the market. I would jump on a set of 60+ deep 30 wide wheels.
Pictures of clearance between wheel and chainstays would be really useful although I'd also be interested in one showing the whole bike.
I'm also somewhat unsure on the benefits of "wavy" rims but have not found much solid data on it either way. You mention unpredictable stalling, if you have a link to an article or review where this is covered I'd be interested to see it.
Thanks
I tried PMing you. But I can't figure out where to attach the pictures.
So here are some pictures of my Felt. Please excuse the state of my bike garage.
Some context. Obviously these are the AR56 disk rims. 30mm wide externally 23 internally.
They are shod in GP5000 standards in 25mm. At this point they are quite old at 7000km. So they are probably as stretched as they are going to get at around 28.3mm WAM. when they were younger (1000-2000km) they were a wee bit narrower at 28WAM according to my calipers.
And yes that is a less than stellar touch up on my chain stay where my chainrings ate my dropped chain
Downtube clearance. Could drive a bus through there. Will happily eat a 30+
Fork clearance. Also plenty of clearance. Will pass a 30+
Chainstay BB clearance.
Seatstay clearance.
Rear wheel cutaway clearance.