Moots Vamoots CRD

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Konsi
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Did I need another bike? Not really. But then things happened, I got in touch with Moots at a Gravel Race, they became sponsor of a bike stage race that I am organising, and not only Si Richardson got a Vamoots CRD, but me as well. He looks faster on it though.

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Now, 3000km later, I am still very impressed by the bike. If I had to choose only one bike of mine to keep, it would be this one. It might be slightly heavier (about half a kilo), and less aero than my Scott Foil, but it is way more versatile. Very smooth ride, no worries about chipping the paint or cracking the frame when traveling or crossing a gravel sector, ideal for the style of bike packing that I prefer, but above all – it is so stable on downhills! I am getting descending PRs by considerable margins (30~40 seconds on an ~8min segment) on my home roads around here without even trying.

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Some of the parts on the build will seem familiar if you have seen my other bikes, some are from the cooperations Moots has with ENVE and Chris King. I would like to specifically mention the handlebars (supremely comfortable shape!) and the wheels (having had a different pair from another brand on the bike initially, I am so happy about their stoic ignorance of crosswinds). Weight with pedals, cages, and Garmin Mount is ~7.9kg.

Frame Moots Vamoots CRD Custom Geo
Headset Chris King
Spacer Moots
Seatpost ENVE
Saddle Selle Italia SLR 3D Boost Kit Carbonio Superflow
Handlebar & Stem ENVE 38cm
Bar Tape Brooks Cambium
Wheels Princeton Carbonworks Dual 5550 with Chris King hubs
Disc Rotors Galfer 160mm & 140mm
Disc Lockrings BIKE AHEAD Composites
Tires Continental GP5000 S TR 28mm/30mm
Sealant Stans NoTubes
Groupset & Brakes Shimano Dura Ace Di2 12s
Crankset FSA SL-K Light ABS 172.5mm with 52/36 absoluteBLACK oval chainrings and left side Stages powermeter
OSPW absoluteBLACK HOLLOWcage
Bottom Bracket Chris King
Pedals Time XPro 10 Carbon
Garmin Mount ENVE
Bottle Cages Moots Titanium

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by wobbly

excellent photos Konstantin :thumbup:

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by bmCube

Classy build!!!

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by mike

what a beauty! i have the vamoots RSL and it is a fantastic bike. so smooth

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by matcav

Great bike, congrats 👏
Curious about 12s setup and AB oval ring. Are they 12s specific chainrings? How's shifting?

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by kode54

Nice Moots! Like the violet hubs on it.

When I had my Moots RSL, the fit and finish was off the charts. Also, I also had better descents on it. Felt stable and sure footed. Enjoy!
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matcav wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:43 am
Great bike, congrats 👏
Curious about 12s setup and AB oval ring. Are they 12s specific chainrings? How's shifting?
They are the 11s rings. I have the same setup on the Scott Foil (12s Dura Ace with aB rings), and shifting is fine, and after the initial setup phase no chain drops either

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by majklnajt

Love it! :beerchug:

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by Emerald102

Wow, that Moots Vamoots CRD sounds like a beast! I gotta say, if it's your favorite bike and you're smashing those downhill PRs, then it's definitely worth it. Plus, having a versatile bike that can handle gravel and bike packing is a win-win. Keep enjoying those fast descents! 🚴🏼‍♂️💨

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by Ranger052

Beautiful bike!
I know is custom but if you could compare to a stock size, what size would that be? I own the same bike with the following configuration:

- Vamoots CRD Size 58
- Latest Ultegra 12 Speed 50/34 - 11/34
- Enve Fork, Stem and AR handlebar
- Moots Ti Seatpost
- Enve 3.4 w/ GP5000 S TR 30mm
- Shimano Pro Saddle


Love the bike BUT is heavy! 20 pounds exactly. I guess the extra weight is coming from the extra size ( 58 ) I would love to bring to weight down to at least 19 but I know I will need to spend a FORTUNE to make that happens.

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Essentially it is the headtube and seattube from a size 50, and toptube and downtube from a size 55.

20 pounds is 9kg? A fair bit of the weight difference will be the groupset, especially as the FSA cranks are lighter than Dura Ace. The rest will be small details, a few grams here and there, down to the carbon bracket I use for the front derailleur.

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How do you like the CRD ride besides the descending PRs? I always liked my RSL Disc but it was heavy overall.
- Factor Ostro VAM Disc
- Factor LS Disc
- Specialized Aethos Disc
- Sturdy Ti Allroad Disc
- Guru Praemio R Disc

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by Ranger052

Konsi wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:37 pm
Essentially it is the headtube and seattube from a size 50, and toptube and downtube from a size 55.

20 pounds is 9kg? A fair bit of the weight difference will be the groupset, especially as the FSA cranks are lighter than Dura Ace. The rest will be small details, a few grams here and there, down to the carbon bracket I use for the front derailleur.

Thank you so much!

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kode54 wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:25 pm
How do you like the CRD ride besides the descending PRs? I always liked my RSL Disc but it was heavy overall.
Hello,

I am probably not the most qualified to fully answer this, I have only been road cycling since 2019, and I am no Tom Pidcock. So first, what is my baseline? I have ridden the following other bikes previously (some through a store)
- Merlin Inferno (19000km, 8.4kg in the most used configuration) Ultegra Di2 11s, 55mm carbon wheels
- Scott Foil RC (12000km, 7.2kg) Dura Ace 12s, 65mm PCW wheels
- Scott Addict RC (~1800km, 7.0kg) Dura Ace Di2 11s, 40mm DTSwiss wheels
- Sarto Lampo Plus (~250km, 8.xkg) Sram Red, Mavic 45mm wheels
- Sarto Seta Plus (~200km, 8.xkg) Campa Super Record EPS, Campa Bora wheels

Due to some issues with the CK wheels, I have ridden the Moots with three different sets of wheels, the original Chris King 44mm (about 250km), the PCW 65mm from my Scott Foil (about 2400km), and now the PCW in 55mm (1200km). The wheels definitely make a difference, although the two PCW sets are much closer to each other in feeling than to the CK.

A final caveat – the Moots is a custom geo, modeled after my Scott Foil fit, while the Sartos were their standard M frame geometry (back when they still did it).

So here are my impressions, slightly unsorted
- My Moots is not too heavy, between the Merlin and the Scott Foil. It is probably slightly slower uphills, but doesn't feel like it (unlike the Merlin and the Sartos). It is also stiff enough for some out of the saddle efforts.
- The ride quality is great. Very comfortable, smooth, also on long rides. My third ride with the Moots was 255km/5800m+, with the 65mm PCWs and 25mm tires, and while I was struggling for other reasons, it was nothing about not being able to sit in the saddle anymore. Part of that is probably due to the excellent shape of the Enve handlebars (although they are the narrowest of all my bikes).
- This is especially noticeable on less than perfect surfaces. Bad tarmac, used-to-be-paved roads, a little bit of gravel, cobbled streets, it doesn't slow me down as much as with the other bikes.
- Due to the custom geometry mine has a quite long front center, so the front wheel doesn't accidentally lifts off the ground when accelerating on a climb. This was especially an issue for me with the Sarto Seta, and to some extent the Lampo. The long stem probably helps, too. The back end is quite short comparatively, the chain stays cannot be any shorter for 30mm (measured 31.5) tires, otherwise they'd touch the seattube.
- The confidence-inspiring handling on downhills was already mentioned. That is more about cornering than max speed (with all the bikes above I have hit 75km/h, with those I have ridden longer periods also 90km/h), and also applies to false flat/rolling hills sections. I quite enjoyed descending with my Scott Foil, and never felt as if it wasn't stable enough (unlike the Merlin and the Sartos), so I was quite surprised by the times I had on downhills with the Moots.
- I am most at ease riding hands free on the Moots of all the bikes listed above.
- This goes a bit beyond ride quality, but is a big part of why I would pick the Moots if I had to choose only one bike, I am less worried about breaking or damaging a titanium frame. Small gravel bits thrown up? Taking it on a train? It gives me a certain peace of mind that a carbon frame with nice paint doesn't.

I hope this helps?

Kind regards

Konstantin

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Konsi wrote:
kode54 wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:25 pm
How do you like the CRD ride besides the descending PRs? I always liked my RSL Disc but it was heavy overall.
Hello,

I am probably not the most qualified to fully answer this, I have only been road cycling since 2019, and I am no Tom Pidcock. So first, what is my baseline? I have ridden the following other bikes previously (some through a store)
- Merlin Inferno (19000km, 8.4kg in the most used configuration) Ultegra Di2 11s, 55mm carbon wheels
- Scott Foil RC (12000km, 7.2kg) Dura Ace 12s, 65mm PCW wheels
- Scott Addict RC (~1800km, 7.0kg) Dura Ace Di2 11s, 40mm DTSwiss wheels
- Sarto Lampo Plus (~250km, 8.xkg) Sram Red, Mavic 45mm wheels
- Sarto Seta Plus (~200km, 8.xkg) Campa Super Record EPS, Campa Bora wheels

Due to some issues with the CK wheels, I have ridden the Moots with three different sets of wheels, the original Chris King 44mm (about 250km), the PCW 65mm from my Scott Foil (about 2400km), and now the PCW in 55mm (1200km). The wheels definitely make a difference, although the two PCW sets are much closer to each other in feeling than to the CK.

A final caveat – the Moots is a custom geo, modeled after my Scott Foil fit, while the Sartos were their standard M frame geometry (back when they still did it).

So here are my impressions, slightly unsorted
- My Moots is not too heavy, between the Merlin and the Scott Foil. It is probably slightly slower uphills, but doesn't feel like it (unlike the Merlin and the Sartos). It is also stiff enough for some out of the saddle efforts.
- The ride quality is great. Very comfortable, smooth, also on long rides. My third ride with the Moots was 255km/5800m+, with the 65mm PCWs and 25mm tires, and while I was struggling for other reasons, it was nothing about not being able to sit in the saddle anymore. Part of that is probably due to the excellent shape of the Enve handlebars (although they are the narrowest of all my bikes).
- This is especially noticeable on less than perfect surfaces. Bad tarmac, used-to-be-paved roads, a little bit of gravel, cobbled streets, it doesn't slow me down as much as with the other bikes.
- Due to the custom geometry mine has a quite long front center, so the front wheel doesn't accidentally lifts off the ground when accelerating on a climb. This was especially an issue for me with the Sarto Seta, and to some extent the Lampo. The long stem probably helps, too. The back end is quite short comparatively, the chain stays cannot be any shorter for 30mm (measured 31.5) tires, otherwise they'd touch the seattube.
- The confidence-inspiring handling on downhills was already mentioned. That is more about cornering than max speed (with all the bikes above I have hit 75km/h, with those I have ridden longer periods also 90km/h), and also applies to false flat/rolling hills sections. I quite enjoyed descending with my Scott Foil, and never felt as if it wasn't stable enough (unlike the Merlin and the Sartos), so I was quite surprised by the times I had on downhills with the Moots.
- I am most at ease riding hands free on the Moots of all the bikes listed above.
- This goes a bit beyond ride quality, but is a big part of why I would pick the Moots if I had to choose only one bike, I am less worried about breaking or damaging a titanium frame. Small gravel bits thrown up? Taking it on a train? It gives me a certain peace of mind that a carbon frame with nice paint doesn't.

I hope this helps?

Kind regards

Konstantin
Thx for your detailed comments. I suppose it’s more of a titanium related vs. Carbon related ride quality. And since you had a custom geo done, it’s hard to quantify vs. their standard geo sizing.

I had a Moots RSL Disc with standard stock geo. It ride well and descended even better. My curiosity lies with the RSL vs. CRD differences. Im not certain many RSL owners feel compelled to move to CRD with the exception of a wider tire fitment?
- Factor Ostro VAM Disc
- Factor LS Disc
- Specialized Aethos Disc
- Sturdy Ti Allroad Disc
- Guru Praemio R Disc

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