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I hope you're getting this published and leather bound 😂😂
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The Turbo mix hits.

I see. One does not simply transcend out of Stage 3. The galaxy requires one to ravage their bike through mountains, forests, jungles, flooded rivers, and even literal freeways both left-drive and right. Through multiple seasonal cycles -- rain or shine.

The Universe does not believe in Free Lunches anymore than it believes in Day 1 Embargo Lift Evaluations.

So I pack a lunch, and begin my never-ending journey through the Cosmos. Just me and my Seka, riding along up in here.

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Okay but how's that ride going for you?

Hm. How does one explain color to a blind person? Each with their own framing and perception of the world? These are the questions. By framing I mean frame size Small/52cm, and by perception I mean the rider's personal fit over the frame.

Quaila. The art of comparison.

And remember when I said everyone likes to compare this to the Factor Ostro? Although there are valid reasons for this, let's shed some color.

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When comparing the Exceed against 25 Halo bikes, I noticed the handling properties most closely match the Tarmac SL7/8. Whether this is by coincidence or by design, we will never know. But when I noticed this in 2022 I got really interested.

The Factor Ostro is shown for comparison. The properties are a bit different. Same with the other 23 frames.

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The story goes that the founder of Seka was working as a Specialized Retul fitter in Asia. Throughout his career, he noticed the vast majority of cyclists in his region needed a high rise spacers. Add to that, a frame Reach too long requires sending riders off with very short stems, which alters steering. So when he started Seka his idea was to center the geometry around a Stack and Reach that was conducive for the majority.

An extraordinary prototype of the Ordinary Fit.

Then complete the Fit with Aerodynamic Features, Sick Paint, and Race Handling. There are very few frame models that combine all four of these philosophies into a single package.

Whether the similarities in Trail and Wheelbase which happens only on the size Small Exceed versus 52cm Tarmac are a coincidence or by design, we will never know. And the true wildcards to perception are how you fit over the frame with the bars, crank, saddle and tires.

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But baking all that together, for the way I specced the Seka it is the fastest steering bike I've built across dozens of bikes. This is neither good nor bad. It just is.

My preference of the era is for steering to be granular and slow. A 130mm stem may have achieved that. The 120mm stem leans me closer towards a "Fit to Frame" philosophy, where my relaxed position matches the innate Endurance qualities of the Stack and Reach, while centering over the Trail and Wheelbase to extract the frame's fast handling. In the future, my preferences may change once more. But what won't change is I will continue floating through space thinking about this from a different angle.

Yet for today, the package that the Seka Exceed affords is very different from anything I've experienced. So it's fun. I'm glad to have tried this frame as it serves as a new point of reference. So that's steering. For cornering, it's fine at all speeds. I haven't had a bad cornering bike in a long time.

And that's the very short of it on the Qualia of Handling.

Perhaps too short because I still haven't been granted exit out of this Stage. Maybe it's time to modify the Red Bull mix.

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Man that's a REALLY good looking bike! Aggressive stance (I find it near impossible to "right click, save as" photos of bikes with spacers to my Bikeporn folder on my hard drive) and all the little details are balanced, complimentary and play really nice together.

PS: Love your playful writing style. I don't read books, but if you wrote one I'd read it!

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by maxim809

I'm now 7000 miles into this journey. This is literally one of two bikes I have owned that has never been dropped or crashed. Ownership has been smooth, and I have been on my best behavior for once.

Uh oh. Issues.

Out of several known issues on the Seka Exceed, I have hit all but one:
  • Top Cap Stripped Head
  • Head Unit Mount Split
  • Seatstay Hairlines
  • Seatpost Slip
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The top cap screw's metal is soft as butter. It was stripped during service at an LBS. Another user on the Seka thread had also mentioned stripping theirs, right around the time mine died. It's a single piece top cap, meaning the top cap and screw are fused together. So when this is stripped, the whole piece is Toast. Butter. Yum.

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Split the toast in half.

That's exactly what my Garmin Mount did, right as I was leaving for a ride one day. As soon as I swung towards a right turn, my head unit flew across the street. I was super confused, and noticed my mount had split in half.

I always used to think it was funny when people wrapped their head units to their handlebars via band. Joke's on me.

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Other users have also mentioned this mount splitting, or the whole backplate's stem severing apart entirely. Finding a suitable adapter is hard. I have a variety of back-up Garmin Mount adapters in my "Other Builds Party Box". None of them fit on the higher pair of holes on the back plate. Ended up finding an adapter that was barely compliant enough to fit on the bottom set of the back plate.

This asymmetry bugs me, and the fact that I'm threading the screws at an angle is probably a history repeat in the making. But that's the best I've got.

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The issue that gets mentioned the most, especially because it is extremely annoying, is slipping seat post. Many bike models have suffered from this in the past, including famous brands.

I've never had slippage on my Seka!

But I did end up switching the 15mm seatpost back to a 0mm offset, in order to recover saddle rail to mount a rear GoPro adapter. That's probably one of the use cases for a 0mm, if you're into Varia's and gadgets under the saddle.

The wedge clamp + grub screw design is borrowed from Factor, which also has similar slip symptoms. My groupies with an Ostro has had to overclamp at literally double the recommended torque on their Factor, even after lathering the seatpost in carbon paste. So when folks online mentioning seat post slip, I believe it. I just got lucky.

So, yeah.

Making the tooling and molding for a frameset obviously costs money.

Sometimes in the bike industry, in order to defray costs an entity that made molds might rent the rights to other people to use said molds. An "Open Mold". Because the mold to make the thing is open for others to use. Examples are Tavelo and Oak. Or No6 and Farsport. If you look past the paint and branding, it's the same mold. The renters of the Open Mold gets to add their finishing touches and own the image of their brand without having to invest capital for the initial bring-up of the product. The mold makers recuperate some cash.

Alls to say, I bet the majority of us can proudly boast we've been dropped on a Closed Mold frame.

But how many of us can say we've been dropped on an Open Mold frame? 

Well, I'm halfway there. I've been dropped on an open accessories frame. Seka's frame is their own as far as I know. But Seka's accessories are Factor's. So it sometimes inherits Factor's DNA. Whether the slippage is due to the wedge design, or how Seka did their own post, or some other unconsidered aspect is up in the air. Starting is always the hardest part.

Imagine being dropped on a Closed Mold frame, though. Anywho.

Slipping and sliding is a thrill, but the next is even better.

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The seatstay junction has developed a visual hairline crack.

The bulk of the reports are with the White RDC model, although other colorways have this. The literal guess is that the paint is soft and susceptible to cracking while...you know... the seatstay does its job dampening. VeRticaL comPLiaAnCe and all that jazz that's supposed to sell bikes.

The good news is if you're a "need to see it to believe it" sorta personality, here's your laterally stiff compliance, baby.

I had an appointment with a carbon company to confirm whether it's the paint or carbon, but the appointment fell through and I never followed up. Cycling is expensive.

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I've been watching these cracks develop over time, and it's grown to about the size of how much I worry about danger. Which is both not a lot, but also simultaneously crosses the threshold for, "I should probably lay off the YOLO for a bit." Or maybe double-down? Depends how you frame it. You tell me.

Anyway maybe I should take this seriously.

I cartwheel towards my e-mail.

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by Komarov

Damn mate! I was so agitated reading this thread last night (had a 9 hour flight, jet-lag is killing me, so here I'm reading a thread about a man waiting for a chinese bicycle for months...) The page updates on the next day once I open a browser and boom - what looked like a happily ever after became a rather questionable experience(

You can sand the paint yourself to see what is underneath it, just dont use sandpaper with less than 240 grit and do it by hand only. Or spend some cash on ultra-sound check. Some tape around seatpost and "carbon paste" would probably help with the slipping


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I would act exactly like Komarov recommended, probably the only way to evaluate if it is only paint cracks (if there is no specialist to adress to...)

maxim809 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:15 am

Sometimes in the bike industry, in order to defray costs an entity that made molds might rent the rights to other people to use said molds. An "Open Mold". Because the mold to make the thing is open for others to use. Examples are Tavelo and Oak. Or No6 and Farsport.
I was not aware, that farsports produced framesets. I thought actually, they are only in wheelsets and handle-bars, and some small-parts.

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Mme.Chauchat wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:40 am
I would act exactly like Komarov recommended, probably the only way to evaluate if it is only paint cracks (if there is no specialist to adress to...)

maxim809 wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:15 am

Sometimes in the bike industry, in order to defray costs an entity that made molds might rent the rights to other people to use said molds. An "Open Mold". Because the mold to make the thing is open for others to use. Examples are Tavelo and Oak. Or No6 and Farsport.
I was not aware, that farsports produced framesets. I thought actually, they are only in wheelsets and handle-bars, and some small-parts.

Best regards,
Farsports makes frames, brand name Stella. But maxim used the example of No6 selling wheelsets which use a rim produced and also sold by Farsports

Other Farsports adjacent brands are H-Works for hubs and Neutron for cranks and cassettes
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I finish cartwheeling to my computer. I'm ready to e-mail.

My very first issue was the Garmin Mount crack. It's been exactly 358 days since I bought the frame from CCACHE. A photo finish right under the 1 year warranty.

I e-mailed CCACHE to see if they could help with replacements, but no response. My understanding is that they are one of the best in Sydney, but based on Google Reviews they sometimes don't answer e-mails. Everyone's got their little quirks. This excites me, being riddled with quirks myself.

Anyway, if I were to put myself in their shoes, there's likely no clean way to get this small part special ordered. Even if I am willing to buy and pay shipping, which I was.

Seka and C100 had officially terminated 4 months prior, so I imagine there had to have been inefficiency between Seka and all dealers. Damage Control is expensive, unlike my plastic adapter. Also, the fact that I ordered this frame online from the other side of the universe wasn't simplifying things.

I also get that when you're one of the best shops, you actually have lots of real work to do. Meanwhile I'm over here fading out of existence and questioning how real I even am. I poked once more. No response.

In a limited world, one cannot please everyone. And sometimes, that everyone is yourself.

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An even deeper rational, is if this adapter is truly flimsy by design then it's just another time bomb waiting to happen. My Garmin is shaking in fear, which will only accelerate a replacement mount's death. In a way, my beefier adapter from my Party Parts Bin is probably more durable, ignoring the offset threads for a minute.

Ah, I see. CCACHE is trying to save me from my own absurdity. I'm reflecting into nothingness, and all I see is that my adapter issue is the epitome of a nothingburger in blank space. The onus falls on me.

...

Then, my Top Cap cracks.

I am stuck in Infinite Stage 3 Limbo, just riddled with issues.

Let's take a step back. I believe everyone who took the plunge on Seka in 2022 knew exactly what they were getting into. There was always a chance of being stranded, and I'm habitually at peace with reckless abandon.

Being an early guinea pig is what I signed up for, and I was excited about the potential challenges that may arise. Far worse things have been overcome in the past with "safer" brands, and the greatest gift is always the experience.

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In 2022, Seka was a Hard Mode brand. If Seka matures, they may graduate into becoming an Easy Mode brand for everyone. And the philosophy behind the Exceed fills the niche that's been missing in our Road discipline for a long time. A fast handling aero frame, but relaxed fit. In a variety of sick paint. It's just been a rough first day on the job for Seka, and everyone on the Exceed bus is along for the ride by their own admission.

And right as I reason this to myself, my stays develop a crack. All these patterns of cracking happening back-to-back.

crack crack crack

Oh snap, I think I'm having that Fractal Moment I was promised.

Time for a pepper pattern show nobody asked for.

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After 7000 mi's, my Aeolus RSL 51 rims have developed a fractals-worth of cosmetic chips. I've actually been photoshopping my earlier photos to hide the wear and tear.

Then one day while traveling overseas, the driveside Rear spoke broke during transit. Every Trek shop I called in this overseas city said it would take a week to get a replacement spoke installed, and I would be leaving by then. So I taped the dangling piece using a piece of electrical tape ripped from my bar tape so it would stop rattling.

And flew back to the USA to my local Trek shop.

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The mechanic diagnoses the wheels. Given the damage, both Front and Rear are eligible for full Carbon Care warranty. The rear spoke is harder to procure than to just warranty swap the whole wheel. The front is ravaged by battle scars.

Wow. I had no clue I even had Trek warranty. I got brand new RSL's in a few days, fully free of charge including the parts and labor to reinstall tubeless, which includes Bontrager TLR rim strips.

Dream Fractals. Thank you Trek.

That is literally the first time I have ever used a Warranty in my entire life, for anything.

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Hmm. What if I e-mailed Seka directly?

I sent a message to Seka's main e-mail. No response. Darn. But then a clue in the Seka thread to e-mail a "Scott Sun" sales specialist directly.

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Scott responds back in English. It seems I was previously sending e-mails to the Mandarin account. I zap the requested photos towards yet another opposite side of the universe.




If time were real, a month passes.




....

Hey did you notice the very first post, when this topic first began? The picture of the frame set.

Look at the very top-left corner.

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by robeambro

Lol - the plot twist...

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Ha! Talk about a story! :D

I've been super happy with my Exceed so far which has been a perfect spring/autumn bike for cruising around. On top of it, I feel it's really fast, especially in typical early/late season high yaw situations (the data I have suggests other bikes I've ridden in such conditions have been slower for me in 95% of cases).
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Holy crap that plot twist! Inception moment. Dan Brown eat your heart out!

So what's to stop all those issues happening again on the new frame though? The cracking paint is savage. Considering a lot of modern bikes are built for compliance I wonder how they get around this (special paint?!).

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I realize the cracks may just repeat itself, over and over. Endlessly.

Given the damage is cosmetic I ride around aimlessly, wondering what to do. The replacement frame came with Gen2 bars. The matte black ones without the logo, and without the flex. Miss the glossy Gen1 bars.

But now I have fresh wheels, fresh bars.

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If it's a bike I daily, I always try for black rails if the seatpost is black. I needed the Berk short nose saddle for another build. So I swapped in a Prologo M5... from another build.

It's truly musical chairs over here.

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And just like that, it's already 2024.
Going around in circles. The music has not stopped.

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by iamraymond

Are you still using the original frame or the replacement? Pretty cool of SEKA that they'd send you a new complete frameset without having to provide evidence that the old frame was destroyed.

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