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26inch4life
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by 26inch4life

I am looking for 26 inch tubeless ready tires that will be mounted on a 23mm(inside width) carbon rims, and needs to be between 1.9 and 2.5 inches. Also, i wanted to know if i can mount a 1.75 tire on a 23mm. The manufacturers suggested range is 1.9 to 2.5. I am looking for something that will work for 50% road, and 50% hard pack. Something with really good rolling resistance. So far i have found the panaracer gravelking sk, continental speedking racesport( I heard these are prone to leaking sealant, along with very hard to find in 26), and panaracer gravelking slick. Are there others? I really like the michelin country rock, the schwalbe billy bonkers, and maxxis dtr as well, but not sure about their tubeless capabilities. I also want to keep the weight down, if possible. Is there anything lighter than the gravelkings?

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jfranci3
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by jfranci3

Why are you looking for that width? Is that your preference or what the rim says? If it's the rim, you can largely ignore that minimum size. I'd look at gravel and CX tires too. The gravelking SK will do what you want but me useless in any type of mud

26inch4life
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by 26inch4life

From the manufacturers website:
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26inch4life
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by 26inch4life

if i can ignore that, do you have a gravel or cx recommendation? Also, I really dont ride in any muddy conditions. Even when it rains, the trail i ride remains fairly packed. A few puddles form, but it doesnt get muddy. Its either paved, or finely crushed stone.

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by Hexsense

Kenda Booster Pro TR in 26 x 2.2" and Continental Race King Protection 26 x 2.2" would get my vote.

Continental Race King is one of the fastest MTB tire you can find. There are many versions but stick with "Protection" one.
https://www.continental-tires.com/bicyc ... protection

Kenda: slightly more grip and slower.
https://shop.kendatire.com/Booster-p/214322.htm
PS. before buying Kenda from online shop, search around for discount code. And if after discount it's too cheap for free shipping then add a tube to bring it above free shipping price.

jfranci3
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by jfranci3

Yeah the important things there -
559 version of "26in" tire
40psi max
23mm internal

The 23mm internal means you need to run about a 28c tire on it by today's standards. The range they give is based on the ISO standard, which is not current with how tires are being used today.
40psi max is the real limiter here. That puts you at a 38c tire, which is a gravel tire.

I looked and the Gravel King SK is going to be the fastest rolling tire you can get aside from a Schwalbe Pro One 28c road tire.

Can you get a 27.5 wheel? That would give you a lot more options. The 27.5 wheel is a 584mm, so the radius is 25mm difference. That would mean a 57mm tire on the 26in rim would be the same radius as a 32mm tire. You can find a lot of 35c x 27.5 tires out there.

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by 26inch4life

jfranci3 wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:21 am
Yeah the important things there -
559 version of "26in" tire
40psi max
23mm internal

The 23mm internal means you need to run about a 28c tire on it by today's standards. The range they give is based on the ISO standard, which is not current with how tires are being used today.
40psi max is the real limiter here. That puts you at a 38c tire, which is a gravel tire.

I looked and the Gravel King SK is going to be the fastest rolling tire you can get aside from a Schwalbe Pro One 28c road tire.

Can you get a 27.5 wheel? That would give you a lot more options. The 27.5 wheel is a 584mm, so the radius is 25mm difference. That would mean a 57mm tire on the 26in rim would be the same radius as a 32mm tire. You can find a lot of 35c x 27.5 tires out there.
I have already purchased the wheels and they are being built right now. I'm not sure why those would be the only two available options. On their website, they have a gallery of bike builds with this wheel, and they are running all the popular 26 inch tires, from continental race kings, to schwalbe billy bonkers table tops, and racing ralphs, numerous different maxxis tires, and more. Any 26 inch tire with a width from 1.9 to 2.4 will fit.

26inch4life
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by 26inch4life

I just stumbled upon the ReneHerse 26 inch rat trap pass, naches pass, and humptulips. WOW are these light. I am surprised no one has suggested these. Are these good tires? Again, I am only riding road, and very hardpack, ground up gravel paths (think the kind that is used on walking paths, playgrounds, and some baseball fields.

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by jfranci3

26inch4life wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:22 am
jfranci3 wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:21 am
Yeah the important things there -
559 version of "26in" tire
40psi max
23mm internal

The 23mm internal means you need to run about a 28c tire on it by today's standards. The range they give is based on the ISO standard, which is not current with how tires are being used today.
40psi max is the real limiter here. That puts you at a 38c tire, which is a gravel tire.

I looked and the Gravel King SK is going to be the fastest rolling tire you can get aside from a Schwalbe Pro One 28c road tire.

Can you get a 27.5 wheel? That would give you a lot more options. The 27.5 wheel is a 584mm, so the radius is 25mm difference. That would mean a 57mm tire on the 26in rim would be the same radius as a 32mm tire. You can find a lot of 35c x 27.5 tires out there.
I have already purchased the wheels and they are being built right now. I'm not sure why those would be the only two available options. On their website, they have a gallery of bike builds with this wheel, and they are running all the popular 26 inch tires, from continental race kings, to schwalbe billy bonkers table tops, and racing ralphs, numerous different maxxis tires, and more. Any 26 inch tire with a width from 1.9 to 2.4 will fit.
You're looking at https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... el-king-ss 20w (tubed, but ~16w tubeless based on their testing)
vs https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ction-2020 25w (21w tubeless). The GK SK has a much smoother rolling knob pattern.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... utyl-tubes

For your needs... road & smoothish hard pack ... 26in.... That GravelKing SK will be the fastest by far. I've got a set of Conti Race Kings on my XC MTB, they aren't anywhere near as quick as the GK SK on the road. If you don't need mud puddle capablility, https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/co ... ches-pass/ these would be the way to really fly. These are made by Panaracer and just a remix of treads and sizes. These would roll about 2w per tire better than the GK SK and the GK SKs tend to flick little rocks. I would NOT go 2.3in because the bigger tires tend to catch more crosswind and the bigger tire will be more bouncy on the road.

The 1.8 (40c) will work absolutely fine on that rim. I run 38c on a 24mm rim and it's a non-issue. Part of the reason the tire makers specify a rim size to match the tire is for the curve of the tread (tire shape) - they want to keep side lugs off the road most of the time and know where the center of the tire is going to be. This is slick tire, so that isn't an issue. Here's a similar rim that they tell you to run 28-50c tires on it https://www.lightbicycle.com/AR25-disc- ... etric.html - that's a higher pressure rim though. Just keep the tire below 40psi, which you're going to do anyway.

26inch4life
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by 26inch4life

jfranci3 wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:21 pm
26inch4life wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:22 am
jfranci3 wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:21 am
Yeah the important things there -
559 version of "26in" tire
40psi max
23mm internal

The 23mm internal means you need to run about a 28c tire on it by today's standards. The range they give is based on the ISO standard, which is not current with how tires are being used today.
40psi max is the real limiter here. That puts you at a 38c tire, which is a gravel tire.

I looked and the Gravel King SK is going to be the fastest rolling tire you can get aside from a Schwalbe Pro One 28c road tire.

Can you get a 27.5 wheel? That would give you a lot more options. The 27.5 wheel is a 584mm, so the radius is 25mm difference. That would mean a 57mm tire on the 26in rim would be the same radius as a 32mm tire. You can find a lot of 35c x 27.5 tires out there.
I have already purchased the wheels and they are being built right now. I'm not sure why those would be the only two available options. On their website, they have a gallery of bike builds with this wheel, and they are running all the popular 26 inch tires, from continental race kings, to schwalbe billy bonkers table tops, and racing ralphs, numerous different maxxis tires, and more. Any 26 inch tire with a width from 1.9 to 2.4 will fit.
You're looking at https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... el-king-ss 20w (tubed, but ~16w tubeless based on their testing)
vs https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... ction-2020 25w (21w tubeless). The GK SK has a much smoother rolling knob pattern.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... utyl-tubes

For your needs... road & smoothish hard pack ... 26in.... That GravelKing SK will be the fastest by far. I've got a set of Conti Race Kings on my XC MTB, they aren't anywhere near as quick as the GK SK on the road. If you don't need mud puddle capablility, https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/co ... ches-pass/ these would be the way to really fly. These are made by Panaracer and just a remix of treads and sizes. These would roll about 2w per tire better than the GK SK and the GK SKs tend to flick little rocks. I would NOT go 2.3in because the bigger tires tend to catch more crosswind and the bigger tire will be more bouncy on the road.

The 1.8 (40c) will work absolutely fine on that rim. I run 38c on a 24mm rim and it's a non-issue. Part of the reason the tire makers specify a rim size to match the tire is for the curve of the tread (tire shape) - they want to keep side lugs off the road most of the time and know where the center of the tire is going to be. This is slick tire, so that isn't an issue. Here's a similar rim that they tell you to run 28-50c tires on it https://www.lightbicycle.com/AR25-disc- ... etric.html - that's a higher pressure rim though. Just keep the tire below 40psi, which you're going to do anyway.
jfranci3, thanks for all of the information. I actually discovered yet another tire that looks just as good as the panaracer and the reneherse at half the cost. The schwalbe Furious fred. I found it for $44 a tire. This has absolutely everything i need. Lightweight, tubeless. Enough tread for the looser gravel, 2.0 width, and great rolling resistance. Think i'm pulling the trigger on these. These are the regular non addix versions. I would love to find those, but they are incredibly tough to find. They have a weight of around 310 per tire.

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by jfranci3

That would be a good tire.... but it was last made around 2017. If you find one, the rubber isn't going to be as good as it once was. It's basically the same thing as the Thunderburt https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... eskin-2015 You want the Evo / Evolution Liteskin Pacestar version. Looks like it is probably a 50c - You'd be better off with the RH tire in terms of speed and comfort, but for the price maybe try it.

Is it this tire? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R ... &_osacat=0 this is a lesser version - way older and probably 3-5w slower. Avoid.

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26inch4life
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by 26inch4life

jfranci3 wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:23 pm
That would be a good tire.... but it was last made around 2017. If you find one, the rubber isn't going to be as good as it once was. It's basically the same thing as the Thunderburt https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... eskin-2015 You want the Evo / Evolution Liteskin Pacestar version. Looks like it is probably a 50c - You'd be better off with the RH tire in terms of speed and comfort, but for the price maybe try it.

Is it this tire? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R ... &_osacat=0 this is a lesser version - way older and probably 3-5w slower. Avoid.
No, its not the fast fred. Its the furious fred. I looked at the Thunderburt, but its twice the weight, and twice the price, and hard to find the 26 inch version. I actually cant find it anywhere. For the price of the thunderburt, i would just get the RH. Just how bad can the rubber be on a pair of new Furious freds? I'm purchasing from a reputable buyer, and I can return them if there are any issues with the rubber degradation.

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