2023 Epic Evo - 9.26kg with pedals

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rapsac
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by rapsac

Yoln wrote:I think there's some confusion between pre-2022 and post-2022 transfer SL seatpost, as explained above.
The Transfer SL debuted mid/end 2021 (as a modelyear 2022 item) as a new lightweight dropperpost. The ‘regular’ Transfer has seen an update before that.

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rapsac wrote:
Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:18 pm
Have used a Fox Transfer SL (and Divine SL) much prefer the Yep Podio. Even a bit lighter but - more importantly - much more solid feeling and very nice action. Best used with the Yep lever.
I cannot comment the mentioned ones, because I haven't owned any (however, one of my friends using Divine SL for years - very satisfied with it anyway).
But have 3+ years experience with Vecnum MoveLoc XC. Maybe you are interested in the details. ;) So, after ~10 months of HEAVY usage, ~8-10 races, muddy trainings etc. the cartridge failed. I sent it back to Vecnum (Germany) and they replaced/fixed the cartridge for free. :) Since then, not have a single issue. Extremely reliable.
When failed, the best part was that, worked really fine with the failed cartridge, the only thing I had to do, pull the saddle up. It was surprising to me how fast I got adapted to this 'extra' step/task. :)

The other useful thing is, if the remote would fail then the dropper can be actuated by pressing a little button on the dropper. Really clever stuff. Also relatively light (mine was 401 grams in uncut form - yes, similarly to Divine SL this one also can be cut/shortened). Okay, a Transfer SL and the Divine SL are lighter but still... ;)

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rapsac
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by rapsac

Yes, the Vecnum posts are very good, I actually own a Vecnum Nivo indexed 182mm. Very light for it’s travel and no issues at all for me.

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by Yoln

Received a couple parts today, Frame came at 1755g without any hardware, which I'm pretty happy about. Seatpost 344g.

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Litespeed Gravel Ultimate : https://tinyurl.com/zvxxy8zk
Wilier “Cento Ramato“ : https://tinyurl.com/29vs8vre
#RETIRED# Lynskey “the Do-it-all Helix” 🧬:https://tinyurl.com/bdmb5y24

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by LeDuke

That is a SHORT seatpost. Are you going to be able to get enough leg extension and still have enough post inside the frame?


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by Yoln

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Hexsense wrote:
Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:29 am
What are your thoughts on a combo Raceking Rear, XKing or MountainKing Front?
Litespeed Gravel Ultimate : https://tinyurl.com/zvxxy8zk
Wilier “Cento Ramato“ : https://tinyurl.com/29vs8vre
#RETIRED# Lynskey “the Do-it-all Helix” 🧬:https://tinyurl.com/bdmb5y24

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by LeDuke

I’ve been running the Cross King all year; the X King is no longer made. 2.3 on 30mm internal rims. Rolls fast and grips well. Wears slowly compared to other tires in the category.

Better that the Barzo, too. I’ve got a bunch of those to burn through on the rear of my bike now.


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by Yoln

Yup sorry, meant Cross King front, Race king rear.

Based on numbers only seems like the best RR/weight combo you can find

LeDuke wrote:
Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:20 am
That is a SHORT seatpost...
And yeah, forgot to answer (mostly because I was pissed) but my sweet deal on the setpost is going back... 3cm too short for me...
Litespeed Gravel Ultimate : https://tinyurl.com/zvxxy8zk
Wilier “Cento Ramato“ : https://tinyurl.com/29vs8vre
#RETIRED# Lynskey “the Do-it-all Helix” 🧬:https://tinyurl.com/bdmb5y24

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Regarding Cross king and Race king,
I think it's a great great combo if you are going to use 2.2" - 2.3" inch tire anyway. I tend to like 2.35 to 2.4" tire so I don't consider them. I like tire with low knobs but big volume. I get the more grip from wide, low pressure tire rather than from big knobs. Race king is low knobs but only 2.2 in size.

For some reason, Race king is somewhat vulnerable to pinch flat unless you crank up the tire pressure a bit more than usual. That's a feedback I got from my friend who pinch flat Raceking going down stair steps which he had no problem on other 2.2 tires.

IMO, go for it if you know you can handle Race king's grip at not so low pressure in the rear.

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Pinch flats?

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spartacus wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:17 pm
Pinch flats?
Yes.
Ride down stair steps which pinch and cut the tire sidewall just next to the rim hook. The tire sidewall got pinched between the stair edge and the rim. Side wall got a line cut which is way too big to be sealed by the sealant, so it's flat.

A tire with wider taller continous tread knobs would be more resistant to pinch flat, as it'd be harder to pinch the side wall (more likely to pinch on the taller knobs). Thicker tire sidewall would help also. Ultimately, a foam insert/tire liner would be the sure fire solution (that weight more).

Below are the pictures of pinch flat cut on my friend's Race King.
IMG_20210826_220530.jpg
IMG_20210826_220540.jpg

Edit 2: seems it's not only my friend (who pinch flatted it in 2021). There are other that found it to be the case too.
https://products.mtbr.com/product/tires ... 92513.html

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by LeDuke

Purportedly there’s a RK 2.3 under development.


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Hexsense wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:40 pm
spartacus wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:17 pm
Pinch flats?
Yes.
Ride down stair steps which pinch and cut the tire sidewall just next to the rim hook. The tire sidewall got pinched between the stair edge and the rim. Side wall got a line cut which is way too big to be sealed by the sealant, so it's flat.

A tire with wider taller continous tread knobs would be more resistant to pinch flat, as it'd be harder to pinch the side wall (more likely to pinch on the taller knobs). Thicker tire sidewall would help also. Ultimately, a foam insert/tire liner would be the sure fire solution (that weight more).

Below are the pictures of pinch flat cut on my friend's Race King.
IMG_20210826_220530.jpg
IMG_20210826_220540.jpg


Edit 2: seems it's not only my friend (who pinch flatted it in 2021). There are other that found it to be the case too.
https://products.mtbr.com/product/tires ... 92513.html
The sidewalls do stick out a lot, especially on narrow rims like how I have them on my gravel bike. I could see how on a MTB they would be questionable. I mean, I wouldn't do it anyway, they really don't have a lot of grip either and they're not as fast on pavement as people like to claim. I think a thunderburt would be a better and faster rear tire option based on my experience however I've since moved on to heavier tires with more grip.

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by Yoln

spartacus wrote:
Tue Nov 01, 2022 2:00 pm
Hexsense wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:40 pm
spartacus wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:17 pm
Pinch flats?
Yes.
Ride down stair steps which pinch and cut the tire sidewall just next to the rim hook. The tire sidewall got pinched between the stair edge and the rim. Side wall got a line cut which is way too big to be sealed by the sealant, so it's flat.

A tire with wider taller continous tread knobs would be more resistant to pinch flat, as it'd be harder to pinch the side wall (more likely to pinch on the taller knobs). Thicker tire sidewall would help also. Ultimately, a foam insert/tire liner would be the sure fire solution (that weight more).

Below are the pictures of pinch flat cut on my friend's Race King.
IMG_20210826_220530.jpg
IMG_20210826_220540.jpg


Edit 2: seems it's not only my friend (who pinch flatted it in 2021). There are other that found it to be the case too.
https://products.mtbr.com/product/tires ... 92513.html
The sidewalls do stick out a lot, especially on narrow rims like how I have them on my gravel bike. I could see how on a MTB they would be questionable. I mean, I wouldn't do it anyway, they really don't have a lot of grip either and they're not as fast on pavement as people like to claim. I think a thunderburt would be a better and faster rear tire option based on my experience however I've since moved on to heavier tires with more grip.
How about Racing -Ray front and Racing-Ralph or Rocket-Ron rear?

Also, definitely lost with all the Schwalbe option, I would assume that SpeedGrip Addix is the way to go?
Litespeed Gravel Ultimate : https://tinyurl.com/zvxxy8zk
Wilier “Cento Ramato“ : https://tinyurl.com/29vs8vre
#RETIRED# Lynskey “the Do-it-all Helix” 🧬:https://tinyurl.com/bdmb5y24

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Yoln wrote:
Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:26 pm
spartacus wrote:
Tue Nov 01, 2022 2:00 pm
Hexsense wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:40 pm
spartacus wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:17 pm
Pinch flats?
Yes.
Ride down stair steps which pinch and cut the tire sidewall just next to the rim hook. The tire sidewall got pinched between the stair edge and the rim. Side wall got a line cut which is way too big to be sealed by the sealant, so it's flat.

A tire with wider taller continous tread knobs would be more resistant to pinch flat, as it'd be harder to pinch the side wall (more likely to pinch on the taller knobs). Thicker tire sidewall would help also. Ultimately, a foam insert/tire liner would be the sure fire solution (that weight more).

Below are the pictures of pinch flat cut on my friend's Race King.
IMG_20210826_220530.jpg
IMG_20210826_220540.jpg


Edit 2: seems it's not only my friend (who pinch flatted it in 2021). There are other that found it to be the case too.
https://products.mtbr.com/product/tires ... 92513.html
The sidewalls do stick out a lot, especially on narrow rims like how I have them on my gravel bike. I could see how on a MTB they would be questionable. I mean, I wouldn't do it anyway, they really don't have a lot of grip either and they're not as fast on pavement as people like to claim. I think a thunderburt would be a better and faster rear tire option based on my experience however I've since moved on to heavier tires with more grip.
How about Racing -Ray front and Racing-Ralph or Rocket-Ron rear?

Also, definitely lost with all the Schwalbe option, I would assume that SpeedGrip Addix is the way to go?
They are fine in dry, but suck with mud and dirt. They do not clear the mud from the tire, and you will end up with slicks

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