2022 new xc frames?

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snaxez
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Oiz will lose the TR versions, everything will be 120mm for 2023. I made my order for 2023 Oiz M-Pro with MyO colors 2 weeks ago. Estimated delivery date is 2023 March.
I have seen the spec and a low quality picture, but I was told not to share it. Official presentation should be sometime this month.

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updated Geo for the Oiz?

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prebsy wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:45 pm
updated Geo for the Oiz?
I have not seen the Geo, I only saw one low quality pic of top end bike and M-Pro spec.
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Got this from facebook oiz group, and mtb-news.de forum. There is a new landing page https://experience.orbea.com/en/built-to-fly
Promotion valid for users who register between 00:01 on 24 October 2022 and 13:59 on 3 November 2022
new bike to be presented by Orbea on 3 November 2022

So I assume the public launch is at 14:00 on 3 November 2022 GMT+2

120mm travel only.
internal routing via headset?
seems like straight seat tube. higher seat tube angle?
slacker head tube angle?
hopefully longer reach.
maybe a bit more lighter weight
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Found a page, that was removed, but google cached it: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... delos.aspx

A steeper head angle -67º-, a lower bottom bracket -333mm- and a longer reach -450mm in size M. Short bases -432mm- maintain the agility and reactivity so characteristic of OIZ. In addition, to its low stack -596mm in size M- is added a more vertical saddle angle -72.5º- to maintain the best position on the climbs. Weight of the frame at 1750 g

https://experience.orbea.com/en/built-to-fly-thanks

https://bikerumor.com/2023-orbea-oiz-120mm-xc-bike/

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snaxez wrote:
Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:44 am
Found a page, that was removed, but google cached it: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... delos.aspx

A steeper head angle -67º-, a lower bottom bracket -333mm- and a longer reach -450mm in size M. Short bases -432mm- maintain the agility and reactivity so characteristic of OIZ. In addition, to its low stack -596mm in size M- is added a more vertical saddle angle -72.5º- to maintain the best position on the climbs. Weight of the frame at 1750 g
It's a slacker head angle - 1 degree slacker than previous 120mm fork TR. The seattube angle is 76.5.

The really good thing about this new model is that it's designed around the longer travel, whereas the old Oiz TR was a 100mm frame with the front end rolled up and back by a longer fork. They weren't the only ones to do this but it kinda sucked that the TR had a 1cm shorter reach and 1 degree slacker STA than the XC version. Now it makes way more sense as a whole bike.

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found that, BMC TwoStroke 01 framesets are available separately for ~1600 EUR (frame + seatpost). E.g. https://www.bike24.com/p2521641.html

I tried to find what is the real weight of this frame but haven't found any measurement. Any of you measured this frame or have this information?
(factory weight is 1037g for size M though, no idea whether axle included or not)

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Not worth starting a whole thread...yet. But, allegedly supposedly, a new SuperCal reveal on 08/10.

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I was trying to think recently which XC frames are due an update with Olympics around the corner. The Supercaliber was the only frame I love the idea of but am not sold on the conservative geo- it will be interesting to see what an update looks like :)

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zscs wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:55 pm
found that, BMC TwoStroke 01 framesets are available separately for ~1600 EUR (frame + seatpost). E.g. https://www.bike24.com/p2521641.html

I tried to find what is the real weight of this frame but haven't found any measurement. Any of you measured this frame or have this information?
(factory weight is 1037g for size M though, no idea whether axle included or not)

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Hi I just got one two months ago, really nice bike with a progressive geometry. My L frame came in at 1173g with derailleur hanger, bash gard and chain catcher. I bought it second hand so the axle is a nice Carbon-Ti one (31g).

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smartyiak wrote:
Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:41 pm
Not worth starting a whole thread...yet. But, allegedly supposedly, a new SuperCal reveal on 08/10.
from @weightweeniesbrasil instagram account

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Some small tweaks it seems

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taladjidi wrote:
Sat Jul 29, 2023 3:56 pm
Hi I just got one two months ago, really nice bike with a progressive geometry. My L frame came in at 1173g with derailleur hanger, bash gard and chain catcher. I bought it second hand so the axle is a nice Carbon-Ti one (31g).
Sounds pretty nice, many thanks for the info! :thumbup:

I'm planning to build a successor to my good old fully rigid 29er MTB. Maybe the slightly heavier weight could help to resist against the abuse causing by a rigid fork. This BMC is definitely a potential candidate! ;)

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by DanW

BMC Twostroke looks nice but a PF bottom bracket and 27.2 seat post exclude it for me. Full rigid with a rigid seat post would be nice.

The Supercaliber looks a little underwhelming if the spy shots are correct. The design language, especially around the headtube, is very much like the 2019 frames. Geometry, like the vast majority of XC bikes, is way too conservative. Give me an ARC8 Evolve geometry any day (but without the spontaneously combusting BB area :) )

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Cannondale seems like another due an update. Are there any spy shots on XC frames which may be on the way?

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