Newman Phase 30 Light VONOA

[EddyTwerckx]

Anybody ride the Newman Phase 30 Light VONOA wheels? 1,160g with carbon spokes. Not sure if they'd be a killer race set or asking for trouble with carbon spokes.

Edit: Comparing to Roval Control SL (1,240g) which I could get for $1750 (Newman would be around $1450).

[snaxez]

Nextie ones (30mm internal) would be 2130$ with carbon spokes and DT180 hubs (283g per hubs pair), but 1520$ with Nextie own Rollingstar II hubs (299g per hubs pair)
938g : NXT29VM36U (260g) Rims + DT180 hubs + Carbon Spokes Oval #5 + Alloy Nipples - 2130$
954g : NXT29VM36U (260g) Rims + NEXTIE Rollingstar II MTB Hubs + Carbon Spokes Oval #5 + Alloy Nipples - 1520$

I would pick berd spokes over carbon ones for MTB. I built my Nextie NXT29VM36U (280g) rims with Erase hook flange hubs and berd spokes. 1114g

[eribj]

I am looking for the NXT29VM36U (260g) rim for my next build.
Not sure about hubs, looking at the NEXTIE Rollingstar II MTB Hubs but I have not been able to read anything about them. Are there some user reviews of then or some knowledge about how they work? There will be some hubs around 300g for the pair.

Then I wonder about the choice of spokes, I relly like the spec of the Nextie Carbon Spokes Oval #5.
@snaxez why would you chose Berd spokes instead of regid carbon spokes?
Are there any references from any rider that has ridden light MTB XC wheels with regid carbon spokes? What is the drawback of using them?

[eribj]

I am looking for the NXT29VM36U (260g) rim for my next build.
Not sure about hubs, looking at the NEXTIE Rollingstar II MTB Hubs but I have not been able to read anything about them. Are there some user reviews of then or some knowledge about how they work? There will be some hubs around 300g for the pair.

Then I wonder about the choice of spokes, I relly like the spec of the Nextie Carbon Spokes Oval #5.
@snaxez why would you chose Berd spokes instead of regid carbon spokes?
Are there any references from any rider that has ridden light MTB XC wheels with regid carbon spokes? What is the drawback of using them?

[Aradell]

Hi, I have the NEXTIE Rollingstart II hubs laced with DT-Swiss competition spokes and the Nextie AGX45 rims (deep/wide gravel rim) on my beachracing bike.
I use the bike as well to commute to work (80% road, 20% gravel) and do some gravel riding (MTB tires yay). So I have done 4,000 km on the wheels since getting them in March 2024 in some pretty tough conditions (gravel riding, beach riding with salty sea water, commutes in the rain).

So far, I did maintenance to the hubs twice. Once after about 1,000 km, and then after 3,500 km.
The ratchet system is a pretty typical DT-Swiss style ratchet but without a seperate spring. There is a "lockring" on the axle with a integrated spring that engages the hub.
From the factory, there was no grease in the ratchet system, so I put a very light grease in there on the first service. This also made the hub a lot quieter.
Then after 3,500 km, the whole ratchet system still looked like new, almost no dirt got into the system and the whole thing was clean. The provided bearings have also held up fine. But that is to be expected (or at least hoped) to be the case after 3,500 km.
The endcaps also have some pretty decent O-rings for weather proofing.

So all in all, I'm happy with the hubs, no issues. The only negative I see is the spring system for the ratchet. I don't think you can replace this with the DT-Swiss parts. So you'll have to go through Nextie if that ever needs replacing.

[snaxez]

I am looking for the NXT29VM36U (260g) rim for my next build.
Not sure about hubs, looking at the NEXTIE Rollingstar II MTB Hubs but I have not been able to read anything about them. Are there some user reviews of then or some knowledge about how they work? There will be some hubs around 300g for the pair.

Then I wonder about the choice of spokes, I relly like the spec of the Nextie Carbon Spokes Oval #5.
@snaxez why would you chose Berd spokes instead of regid carbon spokes?
Are there any references from any rider that has ridden light MTB XC wheels with regid carbon spokes? What is the drawback of using them?

Carbon spokes are more rigid and harsh, as they have no give with impacts. Thats good on tarmac, but with MTB you have bumps and hits all the time. This will fatigue you more as wheels will absorb less hits and bumps. With berd the rope spokes can contract, when there are hits from the ground, so it makes the ride feel more compliant and smoother. And with stiff wheels and spokes you have a bigger chance of spokes turning on bigger hits.
I guess light wheels with carbon spokes would make sense on some fast gravel races.

If ordering from Nextie, the best bang for buck would be:
1088g : NXT29VM36U (260g) Rims + NEXTIE Rollingstar II hubs + Sapim CX-Ray + Alloy Nipples - 1140$

[eribj]

I completely agree, light wheels with carbon fiber spokes will be really stiff and the ride will not be as smooth as a wheel built with spokes with more flex.
It would be interesting to test how it feels.
Do you think the durability of the carbon spokes would be an issue on a pair of MTB wheels built for XCM?

[eribj]

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[snaxez]

I would assume they would hold up fine as long as you don`t get something thrown in the spokes like a branch or a rock. Sourcing a new spoke might not be as easy as well.
With berd spokes I saw some video where a guy leaned the bike against the back of his truck, and the heat from the exhaust pipe melted the spoke.

[eribj]

Hi, I have the NEXTIE Rollingstart II hubs laced with DT-Swiss competition spokes and the Nextie AGX45 rims (deep/wide gravel rim) on my beachracing bike.
I use the bike as well to commute to work (80% road, 20% gravel) and do some gravel riding (MTB tires yay). So I have done 4,000 km on the wheels since getting them in March 2024 in some pretty tough conditions (gravel riding, beach riding with salty sea water, commutes in the rain).

So far, I did maintenance to the hubs twice. Once after about 1,000 km, and then after 3,500 km.
The ratchet system is a pretty typical DT-Swiss style ratchet but without a seperate spring. There is a "lockring" on the axle with a integrated spring that engages the hub.
From the factory, there was no grease in the ratchet system, so I put a very light grease in there on the first service. This also made the hub a lot quieter.
Then after 3,500 km, the whole ratchet system still looked like new, almost no dirt got into the system and the whole thing was clean. The provided bearings have also held up fine. But that is to be expected (or at least hoped) to be the case after 3,500 km.
The endcaps also have some pretty decent O-rings for weather proofing.

So all in all, I'm happy with the hubs, no issues. The only negative I see is the spring system for the ratchet. I don't think you can replace this with the DT-Swiss parts. So you'll have to go through Nextie if that ever needs replacing.

Thanks for your feedback regarding the hubs! It sounds like the quality of your copies is as good as DT or something similar.
Would you consider them suitable also for MTB, or are there signs that indicate that they would be worse sealed or other than eg DT240?

Small disadvantage that it is not possible to change the ratchet to DT or other copies. Then one can hope that Nextie will also stock these in the future.
Do you know if the bearings are of a standard type, so that they are easy to change when needed?

[eribj]

I would assume they would hold up fine as long as you don`t get something thrown in the spokes like a branch or a rock. Sourcing a new spoke might not be as easy as well.
With berd spokes I saw some video where a guy leaned the bike against the back of his truck, and the heat from the exhaust pipe melted the spoke.

I also think they should last for MTB XC, and sure, rocks or branches can ruin any wheels. I have to make sure to order spare spokes when you order the wheels, because sooner or later they will be needed.

I agree that:
1088g : NXT29VM36U (260g) Rims + NEXTIE Rollingstar II hubs + Sapim CX-Ray + Alloy Nipples - $1140
is affordable!
Ben probably leans towards:
976g : NXT29VM36U (260g) Rims + NEXTIE Rollingstar II hubs + [Carbon Spoke Oval] #02 (2.3g) + Alloy Nipples - $1400
300$ for 100g, and maybe less comfortable wheels to race on...

[snaxez]

you can see the hub overhaul here:
https://www.nextie.com/docs/Rollingstar-II-MTB.pdf
https://www.nextie.com/docs/Rollingstar ... rawing.pdf

Front hub
2x 6803 bearing

Rear hub
2x 15267 bearing
2x 6802 bearing in freehub

They can also upgrade to Ceramic bearings for aditional 40$, but I don`t see a point for MTB at least.

[eribj]

you can see the hub overhaul here:
https://www.nextie.com/docs/Rollingstar-II-MTB.pdf
https://www.nextie.com/docs/Rollingstar ... rawing.pdf

Front hub
2x 6803 bearing

Rear hub
2x 15267 bearing
2x 6802 bearing in freehub

They can also upgrade to Ceramic bearings for aditional 40$, but I don`t see a point for MTB at least.

Thanks! Looks ok that! Not that hard to find bearings of good quality that fits!
I agree, ceramic bearing for MTB seams not that important.

[joebusby]

Just adding that alloy nipples for a mtb are a total false economy. Yes, you'll save a few grams and can brag about your sub 1100g all up weight. That is unlikely to help you when corrosion shatters a spoke a year down the line.

[js]

I think it's important to recognize that different users will have different experiences, based on location, riding conditions or just assemlby/maintenance.

All my wheelsets are built with alloy nipples, because that's what I had. This includes my commuter wheelsets that get ridden through sh!t every day, every season and generally get cleaned twice a year. Those alloy nipples have not corroded after one year or one decade. Given this includes being outside in wet/freezing temps (which may not make sense to people from warmer climates, but cars can turn icy roads wet even at -10c) and then having the ice and snow on those wheels thaw as the bike comes indoors, it's hard to imagine harder environmental conditions. The only bonus around here is we're not by the sea, but there can be salt on the roads for ice, so that's still occasionally in the mix too.

All that is just to say that for some people alloy nipples work very well - for long enough that I'd never accept the weight penalty of brass, as it brings no additional bonus.