2018 S-Works Tarmac Disc
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To me the Marketing of Spez. want a low weight (especially after the weight claimed for the new Tarmac) but the frame has to have also enough strength for the disc brakes. And that is not easy!
Maybe the new Tarmac has achieved a lower weight but was not developed for disc brakes and „just adding“ some reinforcement layers at some location did not help sufficiently. That‘s why they struggle so much and had to delay again and again the Tarmac disc.
Maybe the new Tarmac has achieved a lower weight but was not developed for disc brakes and „just adding“ some reinforcement layers at some location did not help sufficiently. That‘s why they struggle so much and had to delay again and again the Tarmac disc.
This is opposite to the Venge ViAS which was design to be disc first, but retrofit integrated rim brake later when UCI temporary halt the DISC brake test period then.
If they are not so light (just overbuilt) everything would be a lot easier, like Wilier Cento 10 which fit both Disc and direct mount brake on the same frame. Even Chinese open mold can fit disc brake or rim brake to the same frame design because they weight more than 300 grams more than the Tarmac.
an idea: since UCI relax 3:1 ratio rule, can they make fork blade wider to improve aerodynamic and make it more stiff for disc? This wouldn't increase weight as much as making the tube thicker but the same shape, right?
If they are not so light (just overbuilt) everything would be a lot easier, like Wilier Cento 10 which fit both Disc and direct mount brake on the same frame. Even Chinese open mold can fit disc brake or rim brake to the same frame design because they weight more than 300 grams more than the Tarmac.
an idea: since UCI relax 3:1 ratio rule, can they make fork blade wider to improve aerodynamic and make it more stiff for disc? This wouldn't increase weight as much as making the tube thicker but the same shape, right?
The SL5 Tarmac had a disc option. No way they designed the SL6 without discs in mind, then threw it in as an afterthought. There was a Tarmac disc at the SL6 unveiling back in July, plenty of pictures of it online. And some of the pros are riding it, including Gaviria on Quick-Step and the entire Boels Dolman womens team, as we've seen in this thread.
I honestly can't say why they would keep the disc model off the shelves/website. They are the only company that is shy with their top tier disc bike, all others have been shipping for a while.
I honestly can't say why they would keep the disc model off the shelves/website. They are the only company that is shy with their top tier disc bike, all others have been shipping for a while.
Two seperate things though isn't it. I'm quite sure the photo has been photoshopped to some degree (as pretty much every magazine or publicity photo is photoshopped, often lazily and badly) but that's not the same thing as it being faked. That's highly unlikely.
?I haven't bought the bike yet, I just got the info that it was on it's way to Specialized distribution centres. Maybe he wasn't meant to say anything about it, perhaps he had had a few beers at that point - it is Belgium afterall!
Can't blame him, I didn't find a beer I didn't like in Belgium.
This wouldn’t be the same Rep that said the official release was going to be at the TDU? Not sure how much stock I’d put in that. I’ll be speaking with some people (hopefully a Rep) today. Somehow I trust my guy more than I trust yours. You sure he’s not just having a bit of fun with you?
Sure. But you used the word "fake" - I didn'twingguy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:00 pmTwo seperate things though isn't it. I'm quite sure the photo has been photoshopped to some degree (as pretty much every magazine or publicity photo is photoshopped, often lazily and badly) but that's not the same thing as it being faked. That's highly unlikely.
Sure. But it's a strong implication. Otherwise saying a publicity photo is photoshopped is like saying the sky is blue. Technically true but not really useful...Imaking20 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:24 pmSure. But you used the word "fake" - I didn'twingguy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:00 pmTwo seperate things though isn't it. I'm quite sure the photo has been photoshopped to some degree (as pretty much every magazine or publicity photo is photoshopped, often lazily and badly) but that's not the same thing as it being faked. That's highly unlikely.
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Sounds like we're even then.
But yeah, I think we're each as likely to be correct about that photo being "faked" or not. Firstly, as you've explained yourself, that would depend on what makes it "fake". Secondly, it wouldn't be the first time I'd seen a publicity/manufacturer photo that was manufactured - even if the artificial product had already been released. Take the Focus Izalco Max disc as an example. There are product photos floating around of the disc version that, upon close inspection of the disc components, appears to be photos of a rim brake frame that had the disc equipment shopped in.
But yeah, I think we're each as likely to be correct about that photo being "faked" or not. Firstly, as you've explained yourself, that would depend on what makes it "fake". Secondly, it wouldn't be the first time I'd seen a publicity/manufacturer photo that was manufactured - even if the artificial product had already been released. Take the Focus Izalco Max disc as an example. There are product photos floating around of the disc version that, upon close inspection of the disc components, appears to be photos of a rim brake frame that had the disc equipment shopped in.
