Re: Worried by industry pro disk brake propaganda filtering through cycle media
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 6:03 pm
dj97223 wrote:Marketing is not all bad -- it can be useful when explaining to the wife why I think I need new stuff!
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dj97223 wrote:Marketing is not all bad -- it can be useful when explaining to the wife why I think I need new stuff!
MoPho wrote:TonyM wrote:11 speed cassettes are not necessary. paddle shifters and electronic shifting are not necessary. Clipless pedals are not necessary. Carbon fiber bikes are not necessary. Light weight is not necessary. Aero is not necessary. Etc.
tarmackev wrote:silvalis wrote:Wait... your roadie rimbrakes on narrow tyres have the same power and modulation as hydro discs on a fat mtb tyre? I think you're doing something wrong...
And your mtb timeline is wrong. We went to 29 because we were told 26 was crap. Then we went to 27.5 because we were told 29 was too big.
Now? Seems like 29 was right all along.
Yup.
I can get my mountain bike up on its front wheel using one finger on the brake lever. I'm not willing to attempt it on my road bike but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't happen.
Lewn777 wrote:mopho wrote:11 speed cassettes are not necessary. paddle shifters and electronic shifting are not necessary. Clipless pedals are not necessary. Carbon fiber bikes are not necessary. Light weight is not necessary. Aero is not necessary. Etc.
This kind of guff is spouted all the time by industry sock-puppets.
Sounds like you just invested in a disk brake bike, and want to drink the kool-aid. There is NO improvement with hydraulic disk over rim brakes in dry weather. Improvements in technology are great but they aren't for everyone, but forcing changes through onto people who don't want them or need them is unethical.
Improvements in technology are great but they aren't for everyone, but forcing changes through onto people who don't want them or need them is unethical.
Time is lost on the ascents, much more than descents.
MoPho wrote:And you sound like someone not giving something a chance because you want to protect your investments in old tech. It's all about you.
I've wanted disc brakes long before they ever came out on road bikes, no "kool-aid" needed as I based my decision on personal experience. And you are absolutely wrong, they are definitely better, even in the dry.
Lewn777 wrote:I've got three bikes with hydraulic disk brakes and one with mechanical sitting in my garage right now!
You seem confused. This thread was never about weather disk brakes are better than rim brakes.
It was about the cycle industry using propaganda through media outlets to push through changes in bike tech many people don't want.
Lewn777 wrote:On my bike with alloy Campaganolo or DT Swiss rims my 105 rim brakes with stock pads in the dry have exactly the same power AND modulation as the Shimano XT and SLX brakes I've been using for years on my MTBs.
Lewn777 wrote:Yep, I can endo using one finger on my mountain bike too. But if I put that amount of power on to the front wheel of my road bike I'd leave a long black streak and face plant.
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-Pull the brake at the end of the lever with two fingers
MoPho wrote:Lewn777 wrote:I've got three bikes with hydraulic disk brakes and one with mechanical sitting in my garage right now!
Congratulations, me too. How many are performance road bikes?You seem confused. This thread was never about weather disk brakes are better than rim brakes.
It was about the cycle industry using propaganda through media outlets to push through changes in bike tech many people don't want.
No, you set the stage in your second paragraph when you declared which kinds of bikes are worthy of disc brakes and made other questionable claims further along in the thread
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silvalis wrote:Lewn777 wrote:On my bike with alloy Campaganolo or DT Swiss rims my 105 rim brakes with stock pads in the dry have exactly the same power AND modulation as the Shimano XT and SLX brakes I've been using for years on my MTBs.Lewn777 wrote:Yep, I can endo using one finger on my mountain bike too. But if I put that amount of power on to the front wheel of my road bike I'd leave a long black streak and face plant.
%snip%
-Pull the brake at the end of the lever with two fingers
Sooo... you don't have the same power and modulation...
TonyM wrote:dj97223 wrote:Marketing is not all bad -- it can be useful when explaining to the wife why I think I need new stuff!
morrisond wrote:TonyM wrote:dj97223 wrote:Marketing is not all bad -- it can be useful when explaining to the wife why I think I need new stuff!
That's an actual easy argument with the Wife for Discs - Honey I need Disc brakes for safety reasons(even if it isn't true) - to be able to stop before hitting a car or coming down a Hill or Mountain and not being able to stop.
Lewn777 wrote:MoPho wrote:Lewn777 wrote:I've got three bikes with hydraulic disk brakes and one with mechanical sitting in my garage right now!
Congratulations, me too. How many are performance road bikes?You seem confused. This thread was never about weather disk brakes are better than rim brakes.
It was about the cycle industry using propaganda through media outlets to push through changes in bike tech many people don't want.
No, you set the stage in your second paragraph when you declared which kinds of bikes are worthy of disc brakes and made other questionable claims further along in the thread
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Calm down mate.
Someone on the internet has a different opinion, it's not the end of the world.
Lewn777 wrote:I was pretty disturbed to hear cycle industry propaganda talking about 'hydraulic disk brakes freeing up frame space to allow manufacturers to innovate' sounds exactly like the MTB 27.5, boost and fat and plus wheel and axle options propaganda that have been floating around the MTB industry.
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The cycle industry trying to make more money but creating redundant dead end standards.
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... my worry is that all the pros will be forced onto disks by their sponsors and then everyone else will be left being forced in that direction.