Cipollini Nk1k or Scott Foil 2016 HMX

[REDUTOPIA]

Hi friends,
I want buy one between this two bikes: Cipollini Nk1k and Scott Foil 2016 HMX.
I'm Italian so here the assistence of Cipollini work fine.
I love the Cipollini brand and the geometry of NK1K is perfect to me. But The new Scott Foil have a weight better than NK1K. The geometry of the Foil is a little lenght for me so I will need the integrated handlebar with a stem of only 9cm, a little short.

Which is the best frame between this two frames?

[tinozee]

The one that fits perfect! I personally love the look of the Cipos too in watching the races. Scott is great quality too though and cheaper.

[Succisa75]

I just got my NK1K last week and so far I have been very happy with it. You can see my post in the Cipollini Club.
The NK1K might be slightly heavier but the power transfer and stiffness might give you that extra boost.

Also take in mind Cipollini's 10 year warranty. hard to beat that

[arthurf]

I doubt you will find anyone that has ridden both bikes yet. There has only been one NK1K posted on here and no Foils. I'm not sure if the Foil is even available yet in the HMX construction, the frames weren't due until May?

Neither will disappoint you, the Foil is more proven scientifically, lighter and has better qc but the Cipo does look better.

[REDUTOPIA]

I just got my NK1K last week and so far I have been very happy with it. You can see my post in the Cipollini Club.
The NK1K might be slightly heavier but the power transfer and stiffness might give you that extra boost.

Also take in mind Cipollini's 10 year warranty. hard to beat that

thanks!

I just got my NK1K last week and so far I have been very happy with it. You can see my post in the Cipollini Club.
The NK1K might be slightly heavier but the power transfer and stiffness might give you that extra boost.

Also take in mind Cipollini's 10 year warranty. hard to beat that

I have already read with interest your posts.

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my uncertainty perhaps derives from the good light weight of the Foil. I really love to do also the climbs so maybe the Foil could be more multipurpose.

But I think also that during a climb the geometry not perfect for me is more negative of an additional weight.

So I' confused!

[PSM]

10 yrs? After what I've heard Cipollini does not have any customer care at all. Am I missing something?

[REDUTOPIA]

I doubt you will find anyone that has ridden both bikes yet. There has only been one NK1K posted on here and no Foils. I'm not sure if the Foil is even available yet in the HMX construction, the frames weren't due until May?

Neither will disappoint you, the Foil is more proven scientifically, lighter and has better qc but the Cipo does look better.

true. I know that it is impossible, so I ask a technical advice.

They are two frame similar but very different in the price and in the weight. So where is the true difference? which is the best?

[kgt]

Cipollini is a much more exclusive frame that's why it is much more expensive.
1.NK1k it is a true monocoque - which is something very few manufacturers do nowadays.
2.NK1K is handmade in Italy and not mass produced in Taiwan (I guess you, as an Italian, would like to support your economy...)
3. While it is heavier than the Foil it will probably be much stiffer. Finally, it looks much more beautiful and well finished (have you seen the two frames side by side? There's no comparison really.)
4. NK1K is both mechanical and electronic groupset compatible. I am not sure about the Foil.

Of course both frames will do the job fine but it is like comparing an Audemars Piguet watch to a Tag Heuer. It's up to you.

[ak47]

If I was italian I would go for the Cippolini no questions asked, especially if you are not worried about any price differences between the two.

[REDUTOPIA]

interesting..

no one is in favor of the new Scott Foil

[stormur]

I wonder only, how to consider purchase of frame which has ZERO warranty and ZERO customer support, paying more than for simillar product (in performance) from manufacturer which provide both without any issues ?

With all my respect to MC and being big fan of buying locally, I would choose Scott. 2 reasons mainly : not insanely low headtube for the frame size and customer care/warranty.

However in EU law is different : SELLER is responsible for warranty issues, so buying from reputable business covers butt a bit more. Just a bit.

[Zigmeister]

Doubt the Cippo would be stiffer than the Foil, since Scott HT/BB are always either #1-#2 in stiffness on all testing done and rigidity of the frame, and Scott has already released basic stats how it is even more stiff than previously, just more compliant in the rear of the frame.

The current Foil, which I owned the Team at one point, and now the Di2 Foil 15, although a bit harsh on the ride, is bomb proof. Surely the new design will be slightly more aero, stiffer, yet compliant according to people who reviewed it and Scott's released general data.

I really know nothing about the Cippo, because you rarely see them in the USA. Kind of like Canyon..haha..I saw one Aeroad like 1 week ago, first time ever in my area. Must have ordered it over seas from a friend etc.

Anyway, Cippo has shown it prowess on the World Tour as well. And as people have explained, if you love his flowing Italian locks, then support your local Countryman and brand if you want.

But the Foil isn't shabby, price is less, also World Tour proven, IAM on it now the new one, HMX will be out anytime now. Foil, probably one of the lightest aero frames out there.

Really up to you and your preference, they both have a lot going for them..but I haven't seen any stiffness test done on the Cippo or aero data ever anywhere.

Foil has tons of testing with the old design against major aero frames/brands.

http://www.aeroweenie.com/data.html

[SLCBrandon]

@kgt, have you seen both side by side?

[kgt]

I wonder only, how to consider purchase of frame which has ZERO warranty and ZERO customer support...

That's all in your head. All Cipollini frames have a 10 year warranty. Some Cipo owners may had problems with aftersales but that has happened to Scott owners as well (I know a few).

@kgt, have you seen both side by side?

Yes, I have. Have you?
The finish and detailing of Cippolini frames looks amazing in comparison to most other carbon frames. Only Time and hi-end Colnago frames come close IMO.

[REDUTOPIA]

Friends, the MCipollini warranty in Italy is not a problem.
I have already tried their warranty service and it seems work.