Donkey wrote:KWalker wrote:Well, I ride about 700 hrs a year and have switched bikes a lot due to different fit permutations, sponsors, and getting deals on new gear that I want to try.
For the Allez' I had one while my SL4 was being repaired and then another as a replacement for a few months after. For the CAADs I had one in 2011, went to Specialized (Allez and SL4), then back to a 58 CAAD. After that I had a 58 SuperSix Evo that was di2 only, then got a normal 58 SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod. For most of last race season I raced a 56 SuperSix Evo Hi-mod you can find in my signature. I've additionally also tested almost every major bike from almost every major brand with the exception of BMC and Felt. I sized down to a 56, then had another 58 for part of this year and am back on a 56 Black Inc. In total I've spent 1400 hours on both frames and have raced them in literally every single type of race and I tend to race 40+ races a year. Given that my average week has 20,000 feet of climbing or more, its safe to say I've climbed a hell of a lot of miles on the frames. Ridden them on gravel roads, paved roads, around crit courses, whatever. I could paste the geo charts but that proves nothing. The CAAD 10 is a superior frame and noticeably more stiff all around. If I were on a Speci sponsored team I would ride an Allez no problem as its not necessarily a bad frame, but nothing you've mentioned is actually present in it. There are no formal tests that proves one measures any stiffer than the other, however, if you ride an Allez next to a Tarmac the difference in stiffness and lack of compliance will be very noticeable. The gap is much bigger than that between the CAAD10 and the SuperSix, which are within the margin of error depending on tire pressure and cockpit choices.
OMG the sheer numbers
errors and misconceptions in your post. I've highlighted them in
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Cut short your long soap opera.
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Least you could do is post geo charts. Geo charts alone say more than you have above.2.
Who says C10 is superior when almost the entire topic goes to agree that both the C10 and Allez hold their own in their own right. Both are alternatives to one another. You want a choice in comfort and geometry. Don't take my word for it.
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The Allez E5 has the same stiffness as the Tarmac. It was the signature feature of the new Allez E5 along with having Tarmac geo.4.
Allez E5 is alloy and of-course the main difference to the Tarmac is it won't drown out as much high frequency vibrations. Still the Allez is a very comfortable and forgiving frame. 5.
C10 and SS do have distinctive geometry.6. Read my review above you'll see I've already covered these points.
7. If I am the troll I have yet to see one credible post from you on the subject in this entire thread. That probably makes you worse than me trolling. You are good at making st'pid assumptions tho.
1. I even said I could post them, but that it still doesn't make your claim that one is a "climber's frame" and the other isn't even close to true. My argument is that the differences are slight enough that it doesn't affect handling to where one somehow goes uphill faster than the other.
2. I am saying it is superior because I have had and ridden/raced both for a long time. It is my opinion, just like anything else about ride quality and is subjective but I believe well-informed given how long I have spent on both frames.
3. No it does not have the same stiffness. No data for this anywhere. As I said I had both and I felt that the Tarmac had a stiffer front triangle. Same bars, stem, wheels, etc.
4. It is not an uncomfortable frame, but not as smooth as a CAAD10. I'm not sure if its the seatstays or the seatstay/seat tube interface, but it was a noticeably more chattery on rough pavement. The CAAD10 is MUCH closer to a carbon frame, enough to where its hard to notice the difference on all but the very roughest surfaces and even then its not really obvious unless you want to find it.
5. The SS and C10 geo is within MM of each other, but yes they are known for their geo/handling.
6. Your review covers nothing.
7. You were already banned once under the name Horze:
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=57316If you are going to troll you should at least block your IP so its not super obvious.
You are generally unhelpful and have not contributed positively to anything except for some wacky comments that are definitely troll material.